"But Rachel also has another hobby, one that makes her a bit different from the other moms in her Texas suburb—not that she talks about it with them. Once a month or so, after she and her husband put the kids to bed, Rachel texts her in-laws—who live just down the street—to make sure they’re home and available in the event of an emergency.
“And then, Rachel takes a generous dose of magic mushrooms, or sometimes MDMA, and—there’s really no other way to say this— spends the next several hours tripping balls.”
Read the study.
You are doing such thing. You’ve repeatedly sidestepped it, and keep using language to cast doubt on it.
I want you to tell me right now that breathing in smoke, unequivocally, causes cancer, and therefore death.
Again, this is not a thing in doubt. It’s not an “if”. It’s an established fact.
I have read the study. Both of you have told me to read the study. I did. I don’t think either of you did or you would quote what supports the chart’s claim that there is a significant mortality risk due to using cannabis.
The study simply does not show where this information comes from.
Don’t tell me to read the study when you have not.
Does inhaling smoke cause cancer, yes or no?
Why are you evading this so much? Why do you seemingly not believe that inhaling smoke can cause cancer? It absolutely does.
Now that is some irony. You’ve been evading my one claim this entire time: the mortality numbers are suspect, something I was saying before you even replied to me. No, I’m not going to move on to the lung cancer thing until my issue is addressed first. I’m not going to just drop what I was talking about initially and talk about what you want to talk about instead.
You also evaded what I literally just said- that you didn’t read the study you told me to read.
Do you see yourself when you look in the mirror?
The entire time? You’ve mentioned it to me once. You say the numbers are suspect. You’re free to start your own peer-reviewed study to prove that. I await the findings.
Answer the damn question: does inhaling smoke cause cancer or not?
Why is this so difficult for you? What’s with the evasion? It’s a one word answer.
Now you’re just lying. I mentioned it to you over and over again. What a silly thing to lie about. It’s right there in the comments.
I also said this to you:
Which you have now done once again. So this conversation is over.
Read the study. Then look at the references.
Why can’t you accept that inhaling smoke causes cancer? Why are you evading this simple yes or no question so much? It doesn’t take long to type out a yes or a no.
Come on mate, this isn’t hard. Inhaling smoke causes cancer. You’re sounding like a climate denier or antivaxxer when you’re being this blatantly anti-science.
You literally asked how cannabis can kill, were given an answer (smoking is bad for you), then refused to accept it.
The lenghts you go to to avoid admitting you said/did something that might be considered silly.
That is the first reply you made. I then explained no-one is saying that cannabis is killing people — admittedly having forgot the mortality stat on the chart. The mortality stat doesn’t mean cannabis is “killing” people.
Then you start your inane sealioning, which you continue up until yesterday, at which point you blame me and @TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world of “not reading the study” and it “not having sources”, but you keep referring to Nutt’s study, when it cites it sources, which you clearly haven’t gone and read, which I’ve linked quite a few times now.
What I’m betting you did is read the cover of this link: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)61462-6/abstract saying “they don’t say where their numbers are from”. That’s like reading the back-cover of a murder mystery and saying “it’s dumb, they didn’t even resolve the whole murder!”
If you actually log in and read the FULL TEXT, you will see the data.
They source several different studies for different citations. I’ve done the work for you and here’s the most relevant ones.
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=50ba3efb0204557af6b762141f94c9a68cb9e291
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert-Gable/publication/14984972_Toward_a_Comparative_Overview_of_Dependence_Potential_and_Acute_Toxicity_of_Psychoactive_Substances_Used_Nonmedically/links/557613d908aeb6d8c01aea8d/Toward-a-Comparative-Overview-of-Dependence-Potential-and-Acute-Toxicity-of-Psychoactive-Substances-Used-Nonmedically.pdf
They also explain just how they’ve weighed all the data:
So no matter how much you want to sealion and pretend you weren’t wrong and didn’t say anything silly, I have offered you the data several times. And this all ignores the fact that you keep ADAMANTLY IGNORING a question I’ve put to you more than a dozen times; do you accept that a lot of cannabis use is SMOKING and that SMOKING causes increased mortality?
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What? I’ve been arguing squid for days in this thread.
Yes. Smoking causes increased mortality through increased rates of cancer, and smoking is thr most commonly used method of consuming cannabis.
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying, and you argued Squid as well, so I tagged you.
Now he’s ran from the convo, and a mod told me to drop it.
What I did drop is my respect towards squid
They have excited a desire for to the this conversation to end. At this point, your borderline harassing them. Please let it go.
Fair enough.
Just really irks me when someone pretends like they “won” the debate while leaving.
“Don’t play chess with a pigeon. They will just shit on the board and knock over pieces.”
And it irks me because I really had faith in him, and now the blindly ignorant hypocrisy they’ve displayed here has basically ruined one of the biggest posters on Lemmy for me. Eh. Too bad.
Thanks for the warning instead of just banning, that’s some good modding. I respect that.
“I declare I have won the debate. Goodbye.”
Nah. It’s fair enough to call them out on their bullshit.
Leaving one comment is not harassment. And if they really feel harassed, the block function is always available.
All I wanted was a one word answer to whether smoking causes cancer/death. Apparently a dozen long-winded comments about stuff I was never talking about in the first place was easier.