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The original was posted on /r/denmark by /u/Runrocks26R at 2023-08-25 16:41:12+00:00.
The original was posted on /r/denmark by /u/Runrocks26R at 2023-08-25 16:41:12+00:00.
michaelvf99 at 2023-08-25 19:51:34+00:00 ID:
jxqkpu7Satire is still entirely legal in Denmark and no plans to make comics of Muhammed illegal, furthermore there are probably a 1000 things that can offend the people of the OIC, so Paludan will just keep doing what he has been doing all along…
This law serves no purpose whatsoever.
And there has nearly always been tension between Muslims and ethnic danes. Your statement further down is quite false. What changed in 2006 was that some Muslim groups in Denmark took advantage of the drawings to stir up a lot of hate in other countries by travelling around and displaying the comics (And even some comics which they made themselves). All it did was take the tension to the International level.
windchill94 at 2023-08-25 19:57:29+00:00 ID:
jxqlo3uNobody is talking about satire but for the record even satire is not unlimited. If Paludan keeps doing what he is doing, he will be punished under the new law.
Go back pre-2005, there were virtually no tensions between Muslims and ethnic Danes until out of nowhere Jyllands-Posten decided to play pyromaniac firefighters.
michaelvf99 at 2023-08-25 20:11:05+00:00 ID:
jxqnv0rDefine “no-tensions” ? - As a resident of Denmark and someone who actually read and watched the news in the 90´s I call bullshit. There were plenty of mainly immigrant muslim ghettos around which featured regularly in the news. You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.
And you didnt get what I said about satire… In France, comics were enough to get lots of people killed (Charlie Hebdo). Denmark has no plans to make this illegal… So here I go again - This new law does nothing to stop Paludan. Paludan can provoke in a hundred ways that doesnt violate the law. The law is ridiculous!
How about OIC and its member states does what the danes did when a Muslim took revenge by burning the danish flag and a bible (and a cross, the swedish flag and a LGBTQ flag). We did Nothing!.
windchill94 at 2023-08-25 20:13:28+00:00 ID:
jxqo8vwThe situation in those immgirant ghettos was nowhere near as bad as it is today and overall Islam in Denmark wasn’t a big topic at all in the 1990s.
The OIC has no jurisdiction whatsover in Denmark, they don’t even have jurisdiction to impose laws on Muslim countries as a whole.
michaelvf99 at 2023-08-25 20:23:02+00:00 ID:
jxqpsabMaybe because there are more of them? And not much is done to stop the more radicalized members? You think comics brought the tensions?
OIC *should* have no jurisdiction in Denmark…, yet they are the single largest contributer to the pressure brought to bear on Denmark to make this law.
So I say again, how about they just ignore it as we did, and then Paludan will probably go away like most other impotent bullies.
windchill94 at 2023-08-25 20:27:34+00:00 ID:
jxqqik6I think comics heavily exacerbated tensions and made them increase tenfold when there were virtually no tensions prior.
No if you ignore Paludan he won’t go away, instead he will get worse and worse like all radicals do. Appeasement towards radicals never works. You know what works? Rules and firmness.
michaelvf99 at 2023-08-25 20:45:09+00:00 ID:
jxqtcnrThats what I say, the radicals in the OIC and muslim community should not be appeased by making this useless law.
windchill94 at 2023-08-25 20:57:54+00:00 ID:
jxqvdmhThis isn’t about appeasing them and the vast majority of people supporting these kind of laws are not radicals, they are your countrymen, your neighbors and your communities who think things have gone too far.
michaelvf99 at 2023-08-25 21:17:39+00:00 ID:
jxqyfvfOf course it is, it is basically the statement that the government released when they presented this law. The final paragraph is about not provoking people. The rest is about national interests, Al-Qaeda, the difficulties of doing international business, the added dangers of travelling in the world. It is ALL about appeasing so that the pressure is removed from Denmark so that we can be left alone again. THAT is the ONLY purpose.
Bring some data to your claims, first you claim that there was NO tension between muslims and ethnic danes before 2005. That is demonstrably untrue, and an ignorant claim. Then you moved the goalposts by saying “virtually no tension”. Now you claim that the “vast majority” of people who want this law think things have gone too far? I can find no such evidence. I have engaged a lot of people in debate over this and most of them end up arguing that we should do it to preserve the peace so that our country is not the target of terrorist attacks. The rest are just tired of Paludan and hope that this law will stop him (it wont).
I found this, which states that the majority of people believe that the government made this law to stop terrorism and help trade relations.
tralle1234 at 2023-08-25 20:08:47+00:00 ID:
jxqnhl7It was absolutely not out of nowhere. They tested if free speech was free speech. Lo and behold, it was not.
There was some imported idiots who thought otherwise.
windchill94 at 2023-08-25 20:15:22+00:00 ID:
jxqoju2Maybe just maybe because it wasn’t actual free speech. Who gave them the idea to test it and what good were they hoping to achieve by deliberately mocking people and their beliefs? They even had the courage to admit they were explicitly doing it to provoke and taunt. They knew full well that nothing good could come out of it and yet they still went ahead and did it for absolutely no valid reason. If they wanted to actually test free speech, there are a million other smarter ways to do it.