whataboutist

  • Deestan@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Pedantery ahoy, but I’ll take your question at face value.

    There is no such term, as nobody is a whataboutist. Whataboutism is a rhethoric tool.

    While some rhethoric tools are always used intentionally, like jaq-ing and concern trolling. some are frequently (far from always!) used unconsciously because they just feel right:

    Attack on character, sealioning, whataboutism, appeal to authority, argument to moderation, fallacy of the beard, false dilemma, false equivalence, kettle logic, et cetera.

    In my experience, the answer to your question is “usually not”.

      • JoBo@feddit.uk
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        1 year ago

        Whataboutery is a much better term than whataboutism. And doesn’t lend itself to mischaracterisation as a personality trait rather than a fallacious style of argument.

        • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.worldOP
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          1 year ago

          Whataboutery is a much better term

          Never heard it, though…

          mischaracterisation as a personality trait rather than a fallacious style of argument.

          Probably both. At least the people I’ve seen using it have done it regularly.

  • MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Some do; others think it’s a valid argument because they see their media sources (or at least people around them) do it.

  • Lvxferre@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    I think that some do, some don’t.

    Some people who use the fallacy (it’s a type of red herring) show signs of knowing that it’s logically invalid, and that they’re still doing it because they value persuasion over moral/intellectual standards. But in some cases it smells a lot like plain lack of rational thinking.

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    What about a whataboitist that’s in fact a she? Or, like “they”

    Yeah I thought so.

    (/s)

  • ZenGrammy@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Please keep all replies on topic. People should be able to have a discussion about the term without devolving into personal attacks.