• reverendsteveii@beehaw.org
    14·
    1 year ago

    If defederation is censorship then refusing to take a pamphlet from someone handing them out on the street is censorship

    • Jeena@jemmy.jeena.netOP
      33·
      1 year ago

      I think nobody has a problem with you not taking the pamphlet, but you telling me that I’m not allowed to take that pamphlet, there the problems start.

      • reverendsteveii@beehaw.org
        4·
        1 year ago

        he’s right there. he has the pamphlets. he’s giving them away for free. it’s 100% available to anyone who wants it. no one is stopping you from doing anything, they’re just not helping.

        • Jeena@jemmy.jeena.netOP
          1·
          1 year ago

          It’s not true, they say of you take the pamphlet then I will never talk to you agan and will make sure you can’t talk to me either.

          • reverendsteveii@beehaw.org
            2·
            1 year ago

            who is saying that? who is saying that if you have an account on a defederated instance that you can’t also have an account on their instance?

            • Jeena@jemmy.jeena.netOP
              1·
              1 year ago

              I think there is a misunderstanding here, I didn’t say that you can’t create a new instance or a new account on a different instance to technically go around the defederation (for a limited time). I also don’t understand what your point is, the people from exploding heads can do that too.

              • reverendsteveii@beehaw.org
                1·
                1 year ago

                the misunderstanding is in that I don’t understand where defederating is in any way censorship, but everyone is treating it as though it’s censorship. Defederating is just refusing to help spread someone’s speech, which is perfectly fine and reasonable. The message I refuse to signal boost is still there, people can see it, they can even choose to boost it further if they want. The people who originate the message are not locked out of the instance that defederate them either. But everyone acts like this is the equivalent of putting a gun to someone’s head and demanding that they shut up and I’m honestly really confused about it.

      • Spzi@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        you telling me that I’m not allowed

        You are not your Lemmy account, and you are specifically not one single Lemmy account. If you don’t like the policy of an instance, you can try to change it or go somewhere else. Ok right, in the attempt to influence policy, you can play the ‘you telling me that I’m not allowed’-card.

        Now that I think about it, the most uncensored Lemmy experience is being logged out. Every content is visible, no middle man can hinder you to visit these sites. It’s a bit like when a public library decides to organize their books into separate rooms. Would you call that censorship because you have to walk between the rooms to access all the content?

        Censorship would be fitting if certain content would be erased from the library. I think that’s only possible on Lemmy if all instances agree.