• Carrolade@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    You do not need to switch to a completely different system in order to qualify for the words “evolve” or “reform”. That’s just not what those words mean in the English language. Words that would apply better would be “overhaul” “replacement” or “revolution”.

    If someone wants to abandon all liberalism instead of changing the type of liberalism while keeping liberalism, they are not progressive.

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        2 months ago

        Here is the definition of the word “reform”:

        make changes in (something, typically a social, political, or economic institution or practice) in order to improve it. “an opportunity to reform and restructure an antiquated schooling model”

        This is different from what you want. It’s okay for you to not want reform. You are not a reformist, not a progressive, you are something else. We progressives are your opponents though, we want liberalism. Progressives do not want to eliminate capitalism.

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            2 months ago

            Again, reform keeps the system, it just evolves it. If you are changing the system, you are not a reformist. Not a progressive. Something else.

            You know how in biological evolution animals slowly change into other animals with lots of small steps? They don’t just suddenly turn into something else completely? That.

            You don’t need all change right now or you’re not changing. The world can have small changes too, and these are still changes.

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              2 months ago

              No, reform changes the system through legislative changes, not by keeping the course and tweaking.

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                2 months ago

                Yes, exactly. Changes within the system. Not total changes from one system to another.

                Harris has a progressive voting record, of making changes within our system towards a certain direction. Like that criminal justice reform I mentioned earlier from her lawyer days. That is a difference, a change, from how we did things previously, when nonviolent offenders could not necessarily get out jail or get their records expunged.

                You may not think it goes far enough, but that just reflects your personal desires. It doesn’t change the basic definitions of words in the English language.

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                  Reformism refers to attempting to dramatically alter the course from within. Small, incremental tweaks isn’t reforming anything, it is making incremental tweaks to the same trajectory, the same course. Harris in power will not result in a change in any trajectory, just furthering the current trajectory. Reformists seek to enact change to this trajectory.

                  You may not think it goes far enough, but that just reflects your personal desires. It doesn’t change the basic definitions of words in the English language.

                  You’ve been nothing but smug and condescending this entire time. Read Reform or Revolution, and get off your high-horse.

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                    2 months ago

                    Yeah, I don’t use strictly Marxist literature to define my terms, I use more standard American definitions. And we are a liberal society, so some difference is to be expected.

                    You don’t seem to be able to meet me even a single iota, but that is not surprising given your own very focused beliefs. Just try not to claim the whole left side everything, including the word progressive, just for your own philosophy. There is such a thing as “middle-left”, to your right, and we are unfortunately opposed to you, wanting to keep a highly regulated capitalist system with just some socialism.