As Vice President Kamala Harris received the presidential nomination at the 2024 Democratic National Convention (DNC), thousands of people marched near the convention demanding an end to U.S. arms shipments to Israel and the war on Gaza. The protesters, led by Palestinian and Jewish activists, represented a diverse coalition including anti-war veterans, climate justice activists, and labor organizers. Despite efforts by Democrats to keep the Palestine issue sidelined, the marchers made their voices heard, declaring Harris and President Joe Biden complicit in the genocide in Gaza. The protesters came from communities and movements that are often considered part of the Democratic coalition, warning that their votes could not be taken for granted unless the party takes concrete action to end the occupation and devastation in Palestine. Organizers estimate around 30,000 people demonstrated in Chicago over the course of the week, making Palestine impossible to ignore during the convention. The activists drew connections between the struggle for Palestinian liberation and the fight against racist violence and state repression in the U.S., challenging the Democratic Party’s complicity in both. The protests encountered a heavy police presence, with hundreds of riot police surrounding the march at all times. Despite the tension, the demonstration remained largely peaceful as the protesters demanded justice for Palestine. As Kamala Harris prepared to take the stage, the marchers continued their chants and songs, determined to keep the spotlight on the ongoing catastrophe in Gaza and the Democratic Party’s failure to address it.
These protests make little sense to me. I fully support the goals of the protesters. I am opposed to Israel’s actions in Gaza that are clearly aimed at a Palestinian genocide. However, I don’t see how these protests are supposed to help achieve the goal of ending the violence and suffering of the Palestinian people. In fact, if they do anything at all, they will only help Trump get elected.
These protesters should be going after every member of congress that has supported the continued shipment of weapons to Israel, republican and democrat alike, but where have they been? They should have been out supporting democrats like Jamaal Bowman who lost his primary to a moderate, pro-Israel democrat because of AIPAC. AIPAC who has spent more than $15 million dollars this season to try and unseat progressive democrats who have supported their cause. These protesters should have been out protesting AIPAC but haven’t heard a peep from them.
Now, here they are harassing the only presidential candidate on the ballot that might possibly support them if she wins, but who cannot say that now because if she does, AIPAC will drop $10s of millions of dollars to oppose her and potentially cost her the election. And that is the only thing these protests can accomplish. If protesters succeed in turning voters against Harris, where are those votes going to go? Either to a man who has stated that he fully supports Israel’s actions and that he just wants them to hurry up and get it done, or to a third party candidate who cannot possibly win but could siphon enough votes from Harris so that Trump could win anyway.
I can’t help but think that these well meaning protesters are being manipulated by the powers that be to undermine their own goals. Stop attacking democrats in general and start supporting progressives who support your cause.
Absolutely. I 100% agree with their goals. But it’s like they couldn’t be making worse decisions. Whoever is setting their agenda. It’s like they’re focusing on sewing chaos and discontent. And not actually getting what they say they want.
I believe the protesters are sincere. But screaming at presidential candidates was never a good idea. Harris or trump will 100% be the winners. Trump will absolutely be worse. So any sane uncommitted protestor can’t actually be uncommitted. And those that are truly uncommitted aren’t really reachable. It’s not a position of strength to negotiate from.
Pro Palestinian voters would have had more success supporting senate and house candidates that support their goals. We actually lost two by slim margins. What’s the logic of focusing on nationwide elections that are the most expensive and hardest to influence. As opposed to simple Statewide or District elections. Which are much cheaper, and have a much smaller voter base to influence. It’s the house after all that passes and funds the aid they wish to stop. Nothing about this is logical. Well unless the goal really is to so chaos and Division among the opponents of Republicans.
My question to the people withholding their vote because of Gaza is: what is your plan to support the Palestinian people when Trump gets in? How will you be supporting them when Trump starts calling for nukes? What will you be doing when Trump decides to use the US military to suppress protests?
Some of us aren’t “witholding” our vote at all.
I’m voting third party. Because I believe in the party I’m voting for.
Depending on which state you live in, a 3rd party vote is equivalent to a vote for Trump when everything is said and done.
A third-party vote is a vote for the candidate I believe in, not an automatic vote for Trump or anyone else.
My voting reflects my values, and I’m not driven by fear of an outcome.
Yeah. Unfortunately, people who love genocide want the guy who bombed the fuck out of Yemen to take over next year. It’s tough to read those guys urging others to take the same position and pretending it is normal.
I’ll stand proud that I didn’t vote for the people who were already complicit in genocide
Fat load of good that’ll do for the remaining Palestinians after Trump helps Netenyahu finish the job. Why would you be proud of such a monstrous thing?
Yes, I’m “monstrous”, but not the Democrats who have happily supplied Israel with weapons to commit their genocide.
Your moral compass is broken.
Never said they weren’t, but you’re helping the even more monstrous Republicans nuke Palestine. Your moral compass is missing.
Who is going to nuke Palestine? That’s pure speculation.
Meanwhile, the current administration is ACTUALLY actively helping Israel starve, maim, and kill children
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna145752
OK again, it’s pure speculation. First, that’s a Senator, who doesn’t even have the authority to use nuclear weapons. Second, the Democrats have shown that they love Netanyahu and will do whatever he wants. If he calls for nukes, maybe a Harris administration will consider it. After all, the party all enthusiastically clapped for the genocide
Well said!
I said roughly the same thing, while pointing out that the OP has pushed anti voting agenda in the past and got my comment removed (I did use the word idiot).
The mods are not allowing discourse here.Meh, it’s rule three. You can say that OP’s ideas are idiotic, but you can’t say OP is an idiot. They are allowing discourse but not ad hominem attacks. It’s really a good thing for the level of discourse in a sub.
Fair enough. I didn’t call the OP an idiot, but suggested that if they believe not voting will help the Palestinians they were an idiot. But I’ll refrain in the future.
You also accused OP of being a troll. Which is also not allowed.
Just because someone doesn’t agree with you, even if they have a history of that, doesn’t make them a troll.
It means they have different opinions than you. And that’s ok. You don’t have to get personal and accuse people of stuff though.
My comment wasn’t based on our differing opinions, but rather the OP’s post/comment history. However name calling isn’t cool and as I said in a reply a few hours back, I’ll refrain from that in the future.
I respect you for giving me this update, thank you!
I get called names on here daily, and people look up my post/comment history as well, so I know what it’s like to be on the receiving end. Many times, it really is just a person with different opinions and viewpoints instead of a troll.
We’re all gonna make it, friend.
Appreciate it. I got called out for being disrespectful. I was and I will improve. That’s my goal as a human.
Mine as well! And if enough of us stay on this journey, we can inspire others to do the same.
And we can keep this place from becoming like Reddit! (shudder)
you called me a Russian/Chinese/North Korean/MAGA troll
you labeled me just like cops like to do without having any facts that was why you were banned
you are the one playing out the narrative the elites want the one that divides citizens but bitching and lying about your actions when you are called out just like both parties do especially Trump
People are wired to look for patterns in randomness and meaning in irrationality. Something considering the irrationality of your post at the very very very very bottom of all the other posts. Leaves you significantly unqualified to really complain about this.
That said I believe that you are genuine. For all the good that means. In this day and age of generative ai. If paid opposition was ever really that widespread. It isn’t today. And while you aren’t a magat either. You’d never acknowledge just how much like them you were behaving. I genuinely believe that you’re probably a decent person as are most magats. I just wish I could believe that either group might wake up and understand how counterproductive their behavior is. Often hurting the very thing they advocate for. And start to question who that sort of behavior actually helps. Because it isn’t either one of the issues either group obsesses over.
Great post and you are 100 percent correct!
Check the modlog for what pro-genocide centrists (there will never be another kind of centrist) consider “discourse.”
Agreed. I was in clear violation of Rule 3. The mods did the right thing as I deserved the delete.
Anyone who checks the modlog can see that you didn’t just call them an idiot.
They ARE allowing discourse tho. It’s just that they are NOT allowing insults.
Do you really have to insult someone when you’re advocating your point?
You can have your opinion, post it and not use the word “idiot” or result to namecalling.
It’s a convenient wedge issue because although no one disagrees, and Harris is the clear choice, people are very upset about it. That allows the topic to steer people away from reason and into raw emotion. That in turn allows the conversation to become a way to subvert the topic into a general negative sentiment that plants itself association with Harris.
It’s a good manipulation tactic, and you can observe that any dissent turns into a pithy back and forth quickly. That’s going to leave it in the conversation for good. Because we’ll get upset every time it comes up.
It’s a very cynical, awful thing to do. To take the genocide of a helpless people and only serve it when convenient as a wedge issue. But it works, so here we are, talking about them but only when people want to take pot shots at specific politicians.
The better alternative is to abandon the duopoly completely
Third party is the way to go! We have other choices, friends!
After listening to her Nuremberg rally level acceptance speech the other night, I can’t see how anyone in good conscious could cast a vote for that. They’re willing to embrace full fledged right wing authoritarianism, nationalism, imperialism, well funded police state, as long as its team blue doing it.
If someone were to read a transcript of her speech and was asked if there was Trump speaking, or if it was Harris speaking, I would stand to guess that a majority of people would default to Trump.
That’s a terrible comparison because Trump is so incoherent and long-winded. But, you’re asking random Americans, who maybe think he’s charismatic. Personally I’m voting against trunk and for Harris. The consequences will be dire if that guy wins.
Yep, between some of her speeches and the replies I get here on Lemmy, I’m amazed at how Democrats often believe they are so much better than Republicans—even though they engage in the exact same types of behavior!
They will refuse to acknowledge it, but they are just as big a victim of US propaganda as Republicans.