• MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Can you be more specific?

    Are you familiar with the history of the Black Panthers and their demise? Because if not, I’m really not interested in giving you a history lesson. Their movement failed because it primarily revolved around two people/personalities that, once deceased, failed to be replaced by anyone viewed by supporters as adequate. So when you give the Black Panthers as an example of building up dual power to upset the system, I have a hard time taking that seriously when that’s not at all what happened.

    You should read organizational and revolutionary theory. Capitalism and Imperialism are unsustainable, revolution will come whether leftists prepare for it or not.

    I’ve read plenty of theory and I’m tired of leftists who have their head stuck in theory instead of reality. Are you prepared to go to prison for your political action? If your answer is yes, I gotta ask-- have you ever actually been in prison? Because I think a lot of chest-beating leftists, especially the way they conduct themselves to people that disagree with them, would be in very a very harsh reality check if they went to prison. And I’m not talking about a holding cell.

    • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      Are you familiar with the history of the Black Panthers and their demise? Because if not, I’m really not interested in giving you a history lesson. Their movement failed because it primarily revolved around two people/personalities that, once deceased, failed to be replaced by anyone viewed by supporters as adequate. So when you give the Black Panthers as an example of building up dual power to upset the system, I have a hard time taking that seriously when that’s not at all what happened.

      Not what I’m talking about, I am referring to the leftist movements you dissavow.

      I’ve read plenty of theory and I’m tired of leftists who have their head stuck in theory instead of reality. Are you prepared to go to prison for your political action? If your answer is yes, I gotta ask-- have you ever actually been in prison? Because I think a lot of chest-beating leftists, especially the way they conduct themselves to people that disagree with them, would be in very a very harsh reality check if they went to prison. And I’m not talking about a holding cell.

      Sure. But I have to ask, does it matter? Like I said, revolution will happen whether Leftists prepare for it or not. The jailing will happen regardless.

      • MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        So you’ve never been to prison, but you so confidently claim you’re prepared to go to prison. Folks like you are all talk until you deal with some real shit and realize real life isn’t as romanticized as what we read in books or see on TV. The fact that you couldn’t even bring yourself to admit that no, you haven never been in prison despite claiming you’re prepared to go to prison and claiming others should be prepared to take similar risks. Reminds me of men telling women childbirth can’t be that painful.

        • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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          2 months ago

          You genuinely are incapable of answering any questions, and continue to try to use smug “gotchas.”

          I ask again - why does it even matter if I haven’t been to prison if the jailing will happen regardless? We can’t avoid the jailing.

          • MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml
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            2 months ago

            I ask again - why does it even matter if I haven’t been to prison if the jailing will happen regardless? We can’t avoid the jailing.

            What on earth are you talking about? The jailing from what? You’re going on and on about some vague nonsense without providing any specifics, when I’ve given you countless specific examples of why people are reluctant to organize political action. Beyond that, why are you acting like jailing is something everyone will inevitably face? I swear guys like you watch too many movies and would be get punched in the face the moment you step onto a range with that BS.

            • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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              2 months ago

              So you either haven’t actually read Revolutionary and Organizational theory and just said you had to dismiss my suggestion, or you have and disagree with it, and are pretending I am speaking nonsense rather than actually answer me.

              Again, revolution is inevitable, as Capitalism’s decay and demise is inevitable, as America’s descent into fascism is inevitable unless we can manage to organize and build up dual power.