It seems sad to you because you are unable to find fun without alcohol, that seems sad to me.
Comparing things isn’t absurd, comparing things with the old times, using them as the absolute reference of what is good, is absurd.
Losing a good thing is bad. Alcohol is not one. Main cause of car deaths, one of the biggest avoidable sources of cancer, famously linked with rape and violent behaviour, and one of the only drugs that I know of that can physically cause death from deprivation of it. This is in no way worth whatever “fun” is supposedly linked with it.
And my point was that there are many things that are actually fun (as in, without having to kill your brain to find them fun) that don’t involve so many horrible consequences.
And without people thinking of the “good old times” constantly, alcohol would have long be recognised as what it is: a dangerous drug with no real benefit. And scientifically it is recognised as such.
It seems sad to you because you are unable to find fun without alcohol, that seems sad to me.
Well I didn’t say that. I even did some of the things you used as examples while we have been talking.
using them as the absolute reference of what is good, is absurd.
Didn’t do that either.
Losing a good thing is bad. Alcohol is not one. Main cause of car deaths, one of the biggest avoidable sources of cancer, famously linked with rape and violent behaviour,
Look your not cool enough to enjoy alcohol I get it. But I never said any of those things are good. Driving is driving, rape is rape.
And without people thinking of the “good old times” constantly, alcohol would have long be recognised as what it is: a dangerous drug with no real benefit. And scientifically it is recognised as such.
There are current good times with alcohol. Just a the culture from the good old times has gone. But it was good then and what’s good now is still too.
I would love to see some some scientific proof there is “no real benefit” to alcohol because I bet my life a lot of people found great friends and partners though alcohol, never mind the fun and culture previously mentioned aspects.
Look no one is forcing you to drink. Chill out man. You can go be boring somewhere else.
“Driving is driving, rape is rape” is as stupid to say as “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”.
And you want to see what science is saying, just go take a glance at the wikipedia page since you obviously never did. Probably the biggest list of negative effects I’ve seen on wikipedia, and I can’t find anything really positive.
And making friends through alcohol just means that you find friends that share your alcoholism, but people also make a lot of friends without the need for alcohol.
No one is forcing me to drink, sure (assuming that it is true and that refusing a drink is not something that could cost you a job for example), but they do force me to be in danger because of the dangerous behaviours caused by alcohol. Once again, it’s a bit like saying “don’t complain about guns, no one is forcing you to have one”. The difference being that guns are probably much less popular and dangerous than alcohol in most countries.
It seems sad to you because you are unable to find fun without alcohol, that seems sad to me.
Comparing things isn’t absurd, comparing things with the old times, using them as the absolute reference of what is good, is absurd.
Losing a good thing is bad. Alcohol is not one. Main cause of car deaths, one of the biggest avoidable sources of cancer, famously linked with rape and violent behaviour, and one of the only drugs that I know of that can physically cause death from deprivation of it. This is in no way worth whatever “fun” is supposedly linked with it. And my point was that there are many things that are actually fun (as in, without having to kill your brain to find them fun) that don’t involve so many horrible consequences. And without people thinking of the “good old times” constantly, alcohol would have long be recognised as what it is: a dangerous drug with no real benefit. And scientifically it is recognised as such.
Well I didn’t say that. I even did some of the things you used as examples while we have been talking.
Didn’t do that either.
Look your not cool enough to enjoy alcohol I get it. But I never said any of those things are good. Driving is driving, rape is rape.
There are current good times with alcohol. Just a the culture from the good old times has gone. But it was good then and what’s good now is still too.
I would love to see some some scientific proof there is “no real benefit” to alcohol because I bet my life a lot of people found great friends and partners though alcohol, never mind the fun and culture previously mentioned aspects.
Look no one is forcing you to drink. Chill out man. You can go be boring somewhere else.
“Driving is driving, rape is rape” is as stupid to say as “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”.
And you want to see what science is saying, just go take a glance at the wikipedia page since you obviously never did. Probably the biggest list of negative effects I’ve seen on wikipedia, and I can’t find anything really positive. And making friends through alcohol just means that you find friends that share your alcoholism, but people also make a lot of friends without the need for alcohol.
No one is forcing me to drink, sure (assuming that it is true and that refusing a drink is not something that could cost you a job for example), but they do force me to be in danger because of the dangerous behaviours caused by alcohol. Once again, it’s a bit like saying “don’t complain about guns, no one is forcing you to have one”. The difference being that guns are probably much less popular and dangerous than alcohol in most countries.