• oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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    Better than the invaders? I agree with the general statement, but when you’re in the line of sight of an automatic rifle, they’re not going to be impressed by your ethics.

    It reminds me of Gandhi, who recommended his Jewish friends who were facing Nazism to just peacefully protest and wrote a nice letter to Hitler in 1939 to politely ask him to reconsider going to war. 6 million Jews were assassinated nonetheless.
    https://apnews.com/general-news-f40d8c2c7d8d4ffeadd576ded89acc0c
    https://time.com/5685122/gandhi-hitler-letter/

    I’m all for giving the good example and building peaceful relations, but when you’re faced with extremists who immediately endanger your life, you have to defend yourself first. It’s like a violent aggression in the street, you have to defend yourself against the immediate aggression first, to protect your body, your life and maybe your relatives’, before you can find a more civilized alternative like deescalating or getting help from the police.

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      You are mixing up bullshit. In order to defend themself one of the best thing ukrainian people can do is to ditch their own government who is drafting them to a meat slaughter over invisible lines on the map. Does this mean they have to stop fighting another authoritarian government trying to impose their laws and drafting on them? Nope, people exists with or without a flag on top of their head and a bunch of politicians ruling on them.

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        Ah yes, I’m sure the new laissez faire Ukrainian army will be able to stand up to a united Russian military machine!

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            There’s quite a history of military rolling over angry civilians.

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              There is also the case of Afghanistan, but they are a quasi-organized paramilitary fundamentalist organization of loose warlords that terrorize their citizens when left unabated.

              Do we really wanna be like Afghanistan?

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        Deconstruction is not an argument.

        Lol your house is just a collection of bricks what do you mean I cant live there?

        Lmaoo money is literally just numbers why do you give a shit if I take a few numbers from you?

        Fighting for your country is always a good thing. Its your country, your land and your people and they deserve to be protected.

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          Fighting for your country is always a good thing. Its your country, your land and your people and they deserve to be protected.

          Russia propaganda.

          Drafting is there to protect the state and its government at the expenses of people.

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            Russian propaganda.

            Projection + fixed the grammar for you Vlad

            Drafting is used in Ukraine to protect the people from invasive forces. The ONLY way to peace in Ukraine is through superior firepower, nothing less.

            Please continue dodging the arguments I make though.

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              Peace through superior firepower is something illogical that does not make much sense. There will be peace once “fighting for your country is always a good thing” propaganda is no more.

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                There was peace, which was disrupted by a foreign power using firepower against Ukraine. Peace will be achieved once superior firepower is established by either side. It’s very logical. Only thing that will happen if the peaceniks get their wish is rus*ia winning, and that simply can’t happen.

                Keep ignoring my points btw you’re doing a great job at it.