• sunzu@kbin.run
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    5 months ago

    We have social issues… remove guns tomorrow, the people are still the same.

    Many other countries have proper gun cultures. Why can’t US do the same?

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      remove guns tomorrow, the people are still the same.

      Oh theres one big difference, they are far less lethal.

      Many other countries have proper gun cultures.

      Compared to the US, no other country on earth has a gun culture. Most people in most countries do not have guns, and most countries have much stricter gun control than the US.

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        5 months ago

        Compared to the US, no other country on earth has a gun culture.

        [citation needed]

        Immediately, certain Middle Eastern countries where people celebrate by firing guns into the air come to mind.

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          Stupid people treating guns like toys is a product of the abundance of guns, not the cause.

          If you placed those same people in a place where guns aren’t freely available I dohbt they would seek out guns for the sake of firing them off at a wedding.

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            That’s not really commenting on my point, which is that these places also have gun cultures. The US is not unique in that.

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              I haven’t spent any time in the Middle East, so please forgive my armchair analysis if you are more versed in the culture, but it seems like they have a legitimate need for guns, given how unstable the region is, rather than seeking guns out because of a deification like the US.

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          Third world countries are the closest to our gun culture, but even then the guns per capita are like a third of the US. Shit man, i could tell you we have more guns than people, at 120 guns for every 100 people. But no one else is close to hitting 100, god no country is even anywhere near 60, fully half of the gun proliferation in the US.

          For the rest of the world, 30 guns per 100 people is a staggering amount of guns, and most developed countries are far below that.

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            You are poorly educated and citing generic stats with out understanding what you were just told.

            Cool Americans will over buy guns, true. We are talking here peoples conduct with weapons.

            Countries that have hostile neighbors or OG territorial approach, thinks swiss or Sweden, ave a gun culture and it is focused around defense and sport.

            Not pro, I am sure there are others.

            Gun ownership is not uniquely american, excess crime related to guns is tho.

            Ps. it is likely possible to link it avaliability as a factor. However, banning guns won’t solve underlying social issues.

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              There is also Finland, which has around 34 guns per 100 inhabitants, amongst the highest of the western world. It has a cun culture of defense (against its untrustworthy Russian neighbor), hunting and sports. But there is strict registration and regulation. Though they can buy just about any type of gun, there is no open carry “for funsies”. Carrying/transporting the guns requires an immediate purpose and must be held, unloaded, in a case or pouch. (I am not Finnish so correct me if I am wrong)

              I have a bit of a feeling it’s in the US a thing of “He has a gun, so I want a gun” that reinforces itself, and after a while gets people careless since it’s a fairly common thing.

              In the UK there was a study where forbidding handheld guns, mainly pistols, did see a sharp decline in gun related crime but they did not banish it completely.

              I don’t know the numbers but in the US it seems pistols make it easier to act upon one’s mental state … have a tiff with your neighbor? Go to his door with a gun on your belt. A car just cut you off? Explode in rage, pull up next to him/her on a traffic light and swing your pistol around, try doing that with a non automatic hunting rifle.

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              You are poorly educated and citing generic stats with out understanding what you were just told.

              This is a way to win people over.

              Cool Americans will over buy guns, true. We are talking here peoples conduct with weapons.

              Goal posts moved while-u-wait.

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              We are talking here peoples conduct with weapons.

              Mostly their conduct is not having one

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      If you remove guns, the incidences of “stern glares” and “finger wagging” skyrocket, resulting in increases in hurt feelings and carpal tunnel.

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      proper gun cultures

      This is absurd. CAN there be a culture around “I dream of all the things I can kill with this” ?

      As former infantry, ‘gun culture’ sounds as fleeting as ‘dynamite culture.’

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      One of the reasons is because Americans buy cheap guns for peasants while in places like the UK people buy expensive works of art like Holland & Holland rifles.