This is very sad, and preventable.
Reading the article it sounds like this woman unfortunately just spent too much time on social media reading all the doom and gloom of the media and people amplifying it in places like reddit, Twitter and Facebook.
wanted to live in a land disconnected from the world, which she viewed as chaotic and dangerous
she and her teenage son could be happy and safe away from the news, the viruses, the politics of modern-day America
had been “discouraged with the state of the world”
Rebecca Vance’s fears intensified during the pandemic
Consuming too much of this crap has really affected peoples mental health, from Trump, to BLM riots, racism, covid, it’s broken some people who spend too much time on social media.
So much so that they think the only way out is to hide away from society.
Reminder, friends, to take frequent and extensive breaks from social media for your own mental health.
The BLM “riots” were 99% protests where the only violence was on the part of the cops harassing protesters.
You can’t lump in blm riots in there, those were protests stoked to violence by police officers, so what you should be saying it’s, corrupt police forces resulting in blm protests
Man gotta love when those protesters storm the local grocery store to fight social injustice. BLM!
I wish people would realize that humans only got to where we are because we are a COMMUNAL species. We developed complex language and tool usage BECAUSE we work together. Being “off the grid” is usually isolationist and therefore extremely dangerous. We need community in order to develop and manage the resources we need to survive.
Also, we’re living in kind of an unprecedented part of history that enables is to be independent of other people in ways never before possible. So that gives people a very distorted sense of that, a lack of any notion of the importance of community. And of course this “independence” is achieved by a complete dependence on this huge ubiquitous economic machine.
theres a reason why banishment was historically a death sentence. It took communities to prosper!
Well no, there’s a difference between offgrid and alone and an offgrid commune.
The secret ingredient is commun
alism.
Into the Wild was a cautionary tail that for some reason people romanticize…
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Except he dies alone at the end, so it was definitely a cautionary tale.
This is sort of like saying Don Quixote was about a famous knight saving the world and not a crazy rich guy fighting windmills
Except he dies alone at the end, so it was definitely a cautionary tale.
If the last recent years has taught us anything, it’s that how you present a thing matters a lot more than what the thing is that’s actually being presented. Unfortunately.
Pretty much, which is why I consider the Fight Club movie a complete flop, maybe not financially, but it fails at its own message so hard that only the dudebros it mocks like it.
that only the dudebros it mocks like it.
or, hear me out, movies don’t need to be lectures and is ok to just do something for the entertainment/artistry/visuals/storytelling of it.
I can tell you that I’m the opposite of what the movie depicts, I’m fragile, never been in a fight, I sincerely hope that will never be in one, I cried like a baby in ET or the time traveles wife, the Schindler’s list broke my heart, I dislike the dudebro dynamics, and I adore that movie. I also like horror movies as a genre and I don’t go around killing people.
It’s fine that you use movies as lectures of life and ethics, or that you don’t enjoy them if they don’t have a message that you agree with, but some people like them for other reasons, so please try not to profile people for what they like to watch.
It’s not that I dislike Fight Club for “not having a message”, but for the fact that it’s meant to have a message according to the director and the writer of the book, but the movie doesn’t depict what that message is very well.
sorry I wasn’t clear, my criticism wasn’t towards you not liking the movie, anyone have their own taste and there is nothing wrong with it, we all just want to enjoy things :-)
My problem was about you profiling people that do like the movie as “dudebros”, that wasn’t very nice IMHO
The difference between what I took away when I first read that book and the 2nd or 3rd time I watched the movie was night and day.
I feel bad the kid he had a privileged shit life. But going out into the middle of the Alaskan wilderness to survive with no formal training was punching way above his weight…
I hate how people talk about off grid living as something you can pull off alone, that’s difficult even if you allow for buying food and installing all kinds of fancy infrastructure in your home.
The truth is that properly sustainable and reliable off-grid living requires a small community, because you need a lot of labour.
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First rule of the Rocky’s, don’t camp / hike outside in the winter, you will not survive.
Even with a well-stocked cabin, the cold alone will sap your energy and kill you slowly.
Trying to survive it in a tent isn’t mere ignorance, it’s outright stupidity.
I just feel bad for the kid. Mom wanted to get off the grid but Colorado has a history of killing those who try it without a lot of money and infrastructure to support it. Go off the grid in like South Carolina, not Colorado.
So sad but at the same time LOfuckingL are people dumb!
They had a 14-year old kid with them. That poor kid didn’t deserve to have been led to his death because of the adults he had no choice but to depend on.
Are you more angry at the people trying to escape the crazy system than you are at the system that drove them out?
The adult who dragged a kid along was trying to create her own system, which undeniably isolated him, subjected him to suffering, and killed him, so yeah I’m angry at that on his behalf.
She was afraid, ignorant, and uneducated. How do you think she got that way?
She got that way because you personally didn’t teach her a better way of living. You’re personally responsible for these deaths, including that of the child.
Why, why would you do this, @TrismegistusMx? Why? Why?
Yes, because they died in an incredibly predictable way by going out unprepared and they brought a kid to die with them.
They thought they were going to be killed by capitalism in decline.
They thought wrong, obviously.
They likely would have died in society as well, from poverty, cancer, addiction, or suicide. They were drowning in one world so they sought refuge in another. There was no happy ending in wait.
They likely would have died in society as well, from poverty, cancer, addiction, or suicide
Lol great rational for killing your kid. They could possibly, maybe, die anyway so better just get it over with right? She was an idiot and her stupidity lead to the death of an innocent child.
You seem very eager to justify this tragedy as if it was inevitable, and not the result of very avoidable choices. Are you okay?
Is it a contest? Can’t you be angry at both the system and people endangering their children and that is enough?
Do you get mad at rabbits that run away from dogs and into the line of fire of the hunter?
Humans are not rabbits. What a terrible analogy. I get mad at any human that intentionally endangers their child. I don’t know why you don’t object to child abuse.
If you can’t understand the metaphor for what it is, then you’re below the threshold for understanding how a person living under a constant threat of starvation and death might make poor decisions. I think we’re done here. Don’t bother me again.
There is no “system” that drove them out. This was a choice they made. A bad one.
That’s just plain ignorant.
I’d love an explanation if you don’t mind.
There’s no “system.”
Me: Gestures to everything.
…. That drove them out. You left that part out.
