• Mac@mander.xyz
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    8 months ago

    So because you think alternatives that don’t exist should you would raise gas prices and obscene amount and put people on the streets?

    I live in a small rural town where everybody commutes to their factory job and is already barely scraping by. What do you think all those people should do to stave off being homeless when they can’t afford to drive?

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      8 months ago

      I think the alternatives should be good enough that raising gas prices isn’t a problem.

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        8 months ago

        Please tell me your plan to collect all of the people spread across half of a state who commute to a central location.

        Mobility enables poor people. Not all poor people live in an idealistic 15-minute city.

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          I don’t think rural living makes sense if you’re also commuting. Small towns can have good transport links to other nearby towns but I don’t think it makes sense to support those who decide they want to live beyond the practical reach of public services just for the sake of it.

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            8 months ago

            I understand that you’re doing a thought experiment about futuristic utopias but I am talking about the current situation right now and a comment that started this chain.

            People live in rural areas whether you think they should or not and raising gas prices to reduce car travel disproportionately affects those people.

            Now, if there was some way for poor people to get fuel credits or something so that they’re empowered with mobility maybe that would work.

            We also should probably not make farming any harder than it already is.

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              It’s not a utopia, it’s perfectly possible if we work towards it.

              And I said

              live beyond the practical reach of public services just for the sake of it.

              Specifically to exclude farmers

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          8 months ago

          In 2020 according to statistics 82.66% of all americans lived in cities, not spread across half the state. Urban areas and country side should be developed differently of course.

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          There are other places in the world who do this much better than the US. How about instead of assuming it’s impossible because you haven’t seen it you consider that it is, in fact, possible but the image has been designed to make it appear impossible by those benefiting from it not being done.

          Also, choosing to live away from work is a choice. Suburbia is a choice, and actually one that costs more money in taxes than it makes over time, requiring it to continue to expand or admit it doesn’t work. You can choose to live closer, or even choose to bike to a bus stop/train station/whatever that is positioned reasonably if things weren’t designed around making car and gas company executives rich.

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            Suburbia? Thanks for showing you have no idea what I’m talking about.