Gnome is a big reason I switched fully to linux
I was already full Linux, but gnome is the reason I stopped messing with window managers and maybe large 4k monitors.
It finally hit enough of ‘just works’ and customizability to use my standard workflow.
The only thing I want that I don’t have right now is horizontal monitor splits for vertical monitors.
The only thing I want that I don’t have right now is horizontal monitor splits for vertical monitors.
You can do that with this shell extension (which is the upstream of Ubuntu’s “gnome-shell-extension-tiling-assistant” package, which on Ubuntu is installed by default and called “Ubuntu Tiling Assistant” in the GNOME Extension manager).
ubuntu has that feature, i think its from a tiling extension, you may want to look it up.
Funny I feel like a lot of people said that about the multiple desktop cube that is finally coming back to plasma.
Gnome especially Mutter is a big reason why I waited for so long to make the full switch.
Looks like a boring update but being boring is kinda the thing I appreciate in GNOME. It’s all about expectations.
Gnome 40 was not a boring update! :)
the couple of releases after were also pretty cool
While most changes (file manager improvements, etc.) are cool to have and are just improvements to the overall experience, what’s up with the “fractional scaling and Mutter improvements”?
Why does nobody explain them more? At least for me, fractional scaling is the first thing that comes to my mind when thinking about what Gnome needs the most.
And performance improvements are also good to hear, but in which aspect? Triple dynamic buffering?Does anyone have further information?
I believe the explanation is “it’s hard, it’s being worked on, but it will take some time until all the pieces are in place”, and they’re not going to hold off releases until it is.
This release changes the ngl renderer to be the default renderer. The intent of this change is to get wider testing and verify that the new renderers are production-ready. If significant problems show up, we will revert this change for 4.14. You can still override the renderer choice using the GSK_RENDERER environment variable. Since ngl can handle fractional scaling much better than the old gl renderer, we allow fractional scaling by default with gl now. If you are using the old gl renderer (e.g. because your system is limited to GLES2), you can disable fractional scaling by setting the GDK_DEBUG environment variable to include the gl-no-fractional key.This is what I’ve found here
This submitted article is far from a comprehensive changelog, and kinda glosses over some stuff, as you say.
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Yeah, but it sucks. Most XWayland-apps are blurry. So, I have the choice between not being able to read something because of my screen resolution at 100% scale, or activating fractional scaling and having half of my apps blurry.
There was the talk about font scaling a while ago, where UI elements also scale with the font size. Has something happened there?
I think the blurry of XWayland apps won’t be solved in this release, there were some news that may be combined with the settings and make Xwayland apps to be able to scale themselves like in KDE, if I understood it correctly
Yeah but new wallpaper! Between this and Plasma 6 I’m having a hard time choosing based on all these new wallpapers.
Man I really want to see that VRR patch merged in, even if it still takes a flag to turn on.
With KDE having VRR and now HDR it feels like the choice you have to make if you are gaming on Linux. I prefer Gnome generally so I would like to see them catch up.
I switched to KDE because of this. I miss GNOME dearly. I despise KDE’s design choices. But right now, it’s better for gaming.
Differently from GNOME, you can actively participate in KDE’s design choices. Usually they are made by a small bunch of people who are open to feedback.
Not gonna lie, I’ve submitted tiny feature requests to the dev team for Cinnamon and Mate before. One or two of them got implemented, and I was so … happy? proud? idk
I was such a cool feeling though. Being able to participate is very underrated.
I have submitted a tiny patch to the Linux Kernel one year ago and I felt so cool too. I understand.
I would love to, but with two jobs and two small kids, I barely get any free time. But I’ll consider it. Is there any UX/UI focused working group?
I have good news my friend. The vrr patch was just merged into 46 beta as an experimental feature.
I saw, very exciting!
Glad.im not alone in this.
I use Gnome on the laptop and KDE on the gaming computer.
But I also dock the laptop, and gnomes workflow is still amazingly intuitive with keyboard and mouse.
It also handles HiDPI better than anything else I’ve used even windows and Mac. Truly remarkable.
But I use KDE for gaming because I want vrr and can use HDR.
Ok, the change for the date format in file manager is huge!
They refused to implement it for years
And I think that was my biggest gripe with gnome.
Like me, that user wants to use ISO-8601 format for dates.
I didn’t see that option in the screenshot. Anyone know if that’s possible in this Beta?
Holy cow, over a decade!
Something something filepicker thumbnails. I’m a fan and daily user of GNOME but it has its issues.
Gnome devs are just built different.
I love Gnome as it looks nice and is so efficient once you know how to use it (using different workspaces)
I’ll soon install a KDE distribution in Gnome Boxes just to try it and see what it’s about.
I switched to KDE for gaming, I miss GNOME so much.
Same I wish they’d prioritize mutter-vrr and get it over the finish line already. Thankfully, it’ll reportedly make it in the next version.
It seems like a polishing release to me. Nice of see.
I still miss gnome 2, before gnome shell was a thing…
When is not sucking going to be added as a feature?
I personally like gnome. Its just a matter of taste I suppose.
I chuckled but that’s harsh.
That’s a Priority 4 Severity 4 ticket. I wouldn’t bet on it being completed until sometime during the next epoch.
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KDE devs have taken steps to make more Gnome-like software. A new generation of Gnome devs in the distant future could go full circle ^
If that is the case I might jump ship haha.
There’s a lot more gnome dev streams to learn from. Where as KDE blogs more but are not as technical in their blogs.
Id love technical content on both so I can learn how to contribute overtime by following their news.
Lol thanks but I already use it. That’s what I went to when I finally gave up on Gnome.
That was already in some version of GNOME 3
This would be a minor release in KDE
We get it, you use KDE btw
Very cool, we’re very proud of you.
Thanks
I don’t
It is a fairly minor release for gnome. The problem with KDE is that it has so many features that it is harder to use and setup. It also doesn’t have a focus on stability.
KDE has been very stable for years.
That’s not my experience. I’ve had bugs
Certainly not what I’ve experienced. But it’s definitely a lot better than it was 2 years ago.
I use it daily on three devices running two different distros (void and arch). It’s been as stable as xfce.
I believe you. It’s just far from my experience.
They’ve also had to spend several cycles rearchitecting the codebase and reducing duplicated efforts.
Plasma 6’s future seems very bright. Especially if they keep improving Breeze especially if they keep focusing on sane defaults and a simple unified and consistent style.
I’m not sure what you mean??
KDE is usable out of the box, and very easy to use.
Not for me. I want my desktop to be functional and I don’t really customize all that much.
I mean, I run basically stock KDE with the dark theme. It seems functional but maybe we just have different ideas of functional?
But, they have a new wallpaper!
And file manager changes, settings changes, account integration changes, notification system changes, changes to a handful of their other core apps, compositor improvements, memory optimisations, a new rendering system, hardened security for their image viewer, and a bunch of accessibility improvements.
But, you know, if your attention span only allows you to focus on a new wallpaper, then sure.
But if you want to get into the weeds a bit:
I love how the complaint makes even less sense when you look at the KDE mega announcement from yesterday. The third thing listed is a new wallpaper.
Love KDE, but they have some really annoying users.It’s unfortunate. We have two great, up-to-date, premier DEs in KDE and Gnome, yet people always turn it into some console war-style shit-flinging.
And it’s not the devs, it’s the losers on forums like this. KDE and Gnome devs have demonstrated time and time again that they can happily work together on making good, cross-DE standards, and plenty of devs directly work on both projects, even.
To be blunt, I believe the KDE fanatics are more abrasive in this. Whenever there’s a KDE announcement people are generally happy, even people who don’t use KDE.
Whenever there’s a Gnome announcement it’s “omg KDE is so much better”, “what feature did they remove this time??1”, “Gnome devs are evil pieces of shit who hate their users”, “lol MacOS clone much???” (I really don’t understand that one), etc.
There’s so much elitism in the Linux community. I hate it.
You can find idiots in every group. Usually, however, these are always just the loud minority. I bet the majority of users simply use what they want and stay completely out of any discussions.
For my part, I have always used KDE / Plasma and I will continue to do so. Gnome just doesn’t appeal to me. Is Gnome therefore bad? No. I just prefer something else. Just like I use a different editor instead of vim, for example.
This is how it should be. Accepting that not everything is your cup of tea, but recognising that it has its place, others value it, and it contributes to the Linux ecosystem.
I don’t have any use-case for a tiling window manager, for example, but I have zero intention of shitting all over various TWM projects whenever they’re brought up.
I understand that Gnome kinda goes against the traditional desktop paradigm, and some people really aren’t into that, but those people can just… not use it. I don’t get what all the hate is about.
I don’t have any use-case for a tiling window manager, for example, but I have zero intention of shitting all over various TWM projects whenever they’re brought up.
I feel the same way. I think tiling is useless (for me). Except in the terminal emulator. Strangely enough, I use it there.
I understand that Gnome kinda goes against the traditional desktop paradigm
Which is not a bad thing at first. Just because something has been done for years doesn’t necessarily mean it’s better.
The Helix editor, for example, uses the selection → action model. With vim, it is exactly the opposite. That’s why I prefer Helix. And yes, this is my own subjective opinion.
For real. Heck I’m a KDE fanboy right now but it’s FOSS and community driven FOSS at that. A rising tide lifts all boats is very real for us!
But people still treat it as if KDE getting better this time or Gnome getting better means the other is losing out on something. Instead them getting learn and growth off of each others expirmenta and works.
Both have a new wallpaper, this is truly an age of innovation.
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