• El Barto@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Thanks for explaining.

    And why is it that there hasn’t been a successful adoption of this movement?

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      9 months ago

      What do you mean by successful? By most metrics, implementations have led to higher life expectancies, literacy rates, and more, when compared to preceding systems. In forms like Worker co-operatives, these systems are more stable than Capitalist businesses with higher satisfaction, and in cases like the EZLN where its more Libertarian Socialist, they have successfully created a community for themselves.

      That’s why I tried to ask why you think Socialist states can’t develop, because quality of life follows development, not Capitalism.

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        9 months ago

        Well, like I said, that’s the perception I’ve had from observing nations such as Cuba, Russia and, more recently, Venezuela.

        I’ll concede that some programs under socialism/communism benefit a lot of people. But at what cost? Failing infrastructure, brain drain, indoctrination…

        What country under communism has experienced such improvement in quality of life?

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          9 months ago

          Cuba has higher literacy rates and life expectancy than the US, the USSR doubled life expectancy compared to Tsarist Russia and went from Feudalism style farming to space in less than a century. Let there be no misconception, none of these states were ideal, and all had a good deal of issues, but what you’re describing just didn’t exist. All of them improved upon previous conditions.

          Venezuela is majority privatized, it’s a Capitalist state anyways.

          Again, not under Communism, but under Socialism.

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            9 months ago

            Ok. Thanks. And what sources did you use to assert that? I’m not being pedantic or contrarian. It’s just that if I type “did communism improve people’s lives in the USSR and Cuba?” I don’t know if I can trust the answers (whether yes or no.)