D3: Very little build diversity and endgame activity selection. Pretty much built around sets and the builds reflect that. Kinda fast but very repetitive
Grim Dawn: I didn’t play this a ton but it has a lot of depth in the campaign and lots of builds. I don’t know of much end game, though. It’s playing through the campaign at different difficulty levels as far as I can tell.
Last Epoch: Lots of build diversity and a lot of endgame activities for a pre-release game. Great loot filter and crafting. Not the fastest game but not the slowest.
PoE: The most complex, rich, and flexible of them all. I’ve got 1500+ hours in it and I still consider myself a noob. So many things to learn, so many things to do, so many builds. I still don’t play without a build guide because maximizing your potential is so deep. The blaster’s dream RPG. “Free” but you’ll want to buy some stash tabs if you play at all seriously.
D4: Better than at launch but still with some incredibly boneheaded design decisions.
I could be wrong about these but those are my impressions from the ones I played. Here is a hilariously sarcastic video about the differences between D4 and Last Epoch that explains some of the bad decisions in D4 and How LE fixed them.
Not a dig but it’s very clear you like the hardcore games that are more punishing. Most people hate poe for that insane complexity. You hit hard walls unless you farm for years and can trade up 5 bat eyes off Gondor, for the heart of demon Thor. D3 has plenty of build diversity for the casual and it doesn’t punish you for not following one of the complex builds in poe.
I don’t disagree with you at all. I bounced off of PoE many times over the years because I just couldn’t wrap my brain around the depth of the game. Like I said, I still only play with build guide. I suppose there is build diversity in D3, maybe a better way to describe it is prescribed. I never really felt there was the ability to come up with wacky builds out of the available options. I think Last Epoch strikes the best balance there.
You have to pay for stash tabs in PoE? I get that it’s a free game, but I miss the days when you could just pay money for a game and then have everything.
Actually, shout out to Vampire Survivors for a game that does additional content correctly.
You do. they’re the only “pay to win” aspect of the game. You need premium stash tabs to use the trade site functionality and managing a lot of the drops really requires stash tabs. However, you can get what you need for $20-30. I actually ended up buying supporter pants in a “Take my money!” kind of way because of how much time and enjoyment I’ve gotten out of the game. You can absolutely get in and play without stash tabs, but if you want to get serious about the game they’re pretty much required.
People who haven’t played the game don’t realize that paying for stash tabs isn’t the biggest deal. I remember thinking it was the end of the world when I started playing almost 10 years ago. But like you I’ve purchased supporter packs and many stash tabs just because of how much I’ve gotten out of the game. Sure it’s a complex game and you have to take the time to learn a lot of the mechanics. But at least it’s fun and has a variety of different content to keep you playing. Unlike Diablo 3 and 4 which get boring after a couple weeks.
Diablo 2 is the best game ever made imo and I will always hate Blizzard for what they did to the series. Path of Exile is a much better successor to Diablo 2 than Diablo 3 and 4 ever will be.
You could argue the price for the stash tabs is just the price for buying the game. And that is after you arive at the point where need them, which is a lot oft hours into the game. At which point you clearly like it so the devs deserve the money.
It’s slow as fuck. You have to walk around a huge map spamming your resource generators just to hit once with your mediocre resource spending skills. There’s no feeling of progression because you don’t actually get stronger. Monsters just level up with you so it’s always the same. The leveling in an ARPG is usually my favorite part. Trying out new skills, getting stronger, upgrading gear constantly. This game just fucking killed that. Skills are underpowered and uninteresting, did not feel like I was getting stronger at all and I rarely found gear upgrades.
It’s just fucking boring. I’ve played most ARPG’s out there and have never been so bored of the gameplay like I was with D4. I’ll stick to PoE and vanilla/modded D2.
What’s the difference between d3, poe, grim dawn, etc?
D3: Very little build diversity and endgame activity selection. Pretty much built around sets and the builds reflect that. Kinda fast but very repetitive
Grim Dawn: I didn’t play this a ton but it has a lot of depth in the campaign and lots of builds. I don’t know of much end game, though. It’s playing through the campaign at different difficulty levels as far as I can tell.
Last Epoch: Lots of build diversity and a lot of endgame activities for a pre-release game. Great loot filter and crafting. Not the fastest game but not the slowest.
PoE: The most complex, rich, and flexible of them all. I’ve got 1500+ hours in it and I still consider myself a noob. So many things to learn, so many things to do, so many builds. I still don’t play without a build guide because maximizing your potential is so deep. The blaster’s dream RPG. “Free” but you’ll want to buy some stash tabs if you play at all seriously.
D4: Better than at launch but still with some incredibly boneheaded design decisions.
I could be wrong about these but those are my impressions from the ones I played. Here is a hilariously sarcastic video about the differences between D4 and Last Epoch that explains some of the bad decisions in D4 and How LE fixed them.
Not a dig but it’s very clear you like the hardcore games that are more punishing. Most people hate poe for that insane complexity. You hit hard walls unless you farm for years and can trade up 5 bat eyes off Gondor, for the heart of demon Thor. D3 has plenty of build diversity for the casual and it doesn’t punish you for not following one of the complex builds in poe.
As soon as I read what the commenter said about PoE I had a mild panic attack. I don’t even know what it is but I know it isn’t for me.
That said, I wish I could find another Cuphead. I have three 300% complete saves on both Switch and PC. I’ve deleted saves and replayed it many times.
That games hits just right for my severe adhd.
Anybody got any recommendations?
Hollow Knight might be your thing with you liking cup head.
I own it but I haven’t played it.
I’m gonna jump in tomorrow.
Thank you. I also love Metroid and SotN so it’s been on my list for awhile.
Oh check out Ori (both) not as hard a cup head but probably my favorite platformer of all time. The first is quite a vibrant and emotional ride.
I’ve played the first one and I’m actually running through it again on the deck. It’s definitely a good one.
I don’t disagree with you at all. I bounced off of PoE many times over the years because I just couldn’t wrap my brain around the depth of the game. Like I said, I still only play with build guide. I suppose there is build diversity in D3, maybe a better way to describe it is prescribed. I never really felt there was the ability to come up with wacky builds out of the available options. I think Last Epoch strikes the best balance there.
You have to pay for stash tabs in PoE? I get that it’s a free game, but I miss the days when you could just pay money for a game and then have everything.
Actually, shout out to Vampire Survivors for a game that does additional content correctly.
You do. they’re the only “pay to win” aspect of the game. You need premium stash tabs to use the trade site functionality and managing a lot of the drops really requires stash tabs. However, you can get what you need for $20-30. I actually ended up buying supporter pants in a “Take my money!” kind of way because of how much time and enjoyment I’ve gotten out of the game. You can absolutely get in and play without stash tabs, but if you want to get serious about the game they’re pretty much required.
People who haven’t played the game don’t realize that paying for stash tabs isn’t the biggest deal. I remember thinking it was the end of the world when I started playing almost 10 years ago. But like you I’ve purchased supporter packs and many stash tabs just because of how much I’ve gotten out of the game. Sure it’s a complex game and you have to take the time to learn a lot of the mechanics. But at least it’s fun and has a variety of different content to keep you playing. Unlike Diablo 3 and 4 which get boring after a couple weeks.
Diablo 2 is the best game ever made imo and I will always hate Blizzard for what they did to the series. Path of Exile is a much better successor to Diablo 2 than Diablo 3 and 4 ever will be.
You could argue the price for the stash tabs is just the price for buying the game. And that is after you arive at the point where need them, which is a lot oft hours into the game. At which point you clearly like it so the devs deserve the money.
One oft the fairer models in my opinion.
It’s slow as fuck. You have to walk around a huge map spamming your resource generators just to hit once with your mediocre resource spending skills. There’s no feeling of progression because you don’t actually get stronger. Monsters just level up with you so it’s always the same. The leveling in an ARPG is usually my favorite part. Trying out new skills, getting stronger, upgrading gear constantly. This game just fucking killed that. Skills are underpowered and uninteresting, did not feel like I was getting stronger at all and I rarely found gear upgrades.
It’s just fucking boring. I’ve played most ARPG’s out there and have never been so bored of the gameplay like I was with D4. I’ll stick to PoE and vanilla/modded D2.
Sounds like you have a terrible build
I played Druid and tried every skill, they were all underwhelming/boring. I shouldn’t have to play a specific build or class to have fun.