Communities here are largely influenced and based on already existing communities on Reddit. I was subscribed to r/fuckcars there until I dropped reddit completely, but they have a pretty straightforward page explaining their beliefs and opinions about cars and replacing them with various different more efficient transportation methods.
Secondly… Your comment wasn’t hated, so I don’t know where those “angry car haters” come from.
No one actually thinks that you can replace cars entirely, but making more space FOR PEOPLE on the streets and making public transportation more comfortable and more affordable - is only a positive.
Lol, I hadn’t even noticed that. The pro-car people are uniformly rude and ignorant and all the anti-car people are offering polite corrections.
My faves are all the people going ‘How could I possibly run errands on foot/bike/public transport?’ I do that every day! How weak are these guys? Literally yesterday I ran a half marathon on the other side of the city then went for a meal out and used walking and public transport every step of the way… except for the 21k I did running.
These guys are weird as fuck. My dad is like that too. He’s also overweight by like 100kg and throws a hissy fit when there is a parking spot free that saves him 5 steps. I live very rural and while i have a car, i usually take my ebike to the next town or further. People can’t comprehend that i enjoy walking or biking.
It really depends on where you are though. Much like other public policy debates, a lot of this comes down to where someone lives. People that live in dense urban areas can very reasonably go without cars, and trains (specifically light rail) make a lot of sense. Once you get out of urban areas, suddenly trains don’t make any sense at all, and the ability to realistically take public transportation evaporates.
This is compounded by urban planning that doesn’t prioritize dense housing. Everyone says that we need more and better housing, but no one wants high rise apartments and condos in their neighborhood of single-family homes. That ends up leading to the kind of urban sprawl that makes public transportation impossible to work. Until zoning is taken out of local hands–so that wealthy communities can’t prevent high-density housing–you aren’t ever going to see this kind of thing change. (BTW - this is overwhelmingly happening in the US in communities that have a Democratic supermajority; that’s why housing is so expensive in California, because new housing isn’t being built.)
‘Cities should be better designed so that we don’t have to use cars’ is pretty much the manifesto of fuckCars and that’s exactly how most people have replied to this guy. It’s the pro-car people who are being rude and ignorant about the anti-car position.
‘Cities should be better designed so that we don’t have to use cars’
…Which I agree with. And it’s incredibly frustrating to me that, on the one hand, Republicans actively don’t give a shit about sprawl, and on the other hand, Democrats don’t want to ruin the charm and character of their lovely urban single-family neighborhoods with half acre plots of lawn in order to build dense housing that can make light rail economically viable. E.g., the people that should be on board with this shit talk a good game until it’s their own neighborhood.
I recognize my own hypocrisy here, because I moved to a rural area to get away from a city, and I am now finding that it isn’t rural enough because I can sometimes hear my closest neighbors. I just want to live in a shack like Ted… :(
Yeah, we have the same issues with NIMBYism here. Labour have moved to an increasingly YIMBY national policy, but in practice lots of local councillors are scared of losing their seats to NIMBY campaigners from other parties. This is why I hate the Green party!
so I don’t know where those “angry car haters” come from
Having read those comments… probably because OP already dismissed the legitimacy of the community and therefore interpreted all comments in the worst light. Any hint at even the smallest passion for the subject becomes “angry haters”.
Same as the other commenter who dismissed anyone wanting to go without cars as “paupers”, because they cannot imagine there being legitimate reasons to avoid cars.
It’s so wild how absolutely weak some people have gotten honestly. Maybe it’s being lazy, i don’t know. I was sitting on a table with friends and a couple talked about how they go on vacation in a sort of natural habitat or something. There are no cars, you park outside and then walk like 25min. And everyone talked about how insane that 25min walk is, and how it’s possible that they don’t offere rides or someone pick them up on a atv or something. Like the conversation went on for so long that i wasn’t sure if it was just a joke at some point. They googled the resort and looked for ways to maybe uber in or something. 25minute walk is what i do with my dog at night, every night.
Communities here are largely influenced and based on already existing communities on Reddit. I was subscribed to r/fuckcars there until I dropped reddit completely, but they have a pretty straightforward page explaining their beliefs and opinions about cars and replacing them with various different more efficient transportation methods.
Secondly… Your comment wasn’t hated, so I don’t know where those “angry car haters” come from.
No one actually thinks that you can replace cars entirely, but making more space FOR PEOPLE on the streets and making public transportation more comfortable and more affordable - is only a positive.
Lol, I hadn’t even noticed that. The pro-car people are uniformly rude and ignorant and all the anti-car people are offering polite corrections.
My faves are all the people going ‘How could I possibly run errands on foot/bike/public transport?’ I do that every day! How weak are these guys? Literally yesterday I ran a half marathon on the other side of the city then went for a meal out and used walking and public transport every step of the way… except for the 21k I did running.
These guys are weird as fuck. My dad is like that too. He’s also overweight by like 100kg and throws a hissy fit when there is a parking spot free that saves him 5 steps. I live very rural and while i have a car, i usually take my ebike to the next town or further. People can’t comprehend that i enjoy walking or biking.
It really depends on where you are though. Much like other public policy debates, a lot of this comes down to where someone lives. People that live in dense urban areas can very reasonably go without cars, and trains (specifically light rail) make a lot of sense. Once you get out of urban areas, suddenly trains don’t make any sense at all, and the ability to realistically take public transportation evaporates.
This is compounded by urban planning that doesn’t prioritize dense housing. Everyone says that we need more and better housing, but no one wants high rise apartments and condos in their neighborhood of single-family homes. That ends up leading to the kind of urban sprawl that makes public transportation impossible to work. Until zoning is taken out of local hands–so that wealthy communities can’t prevent high-density housing–you aren’t ever going to see this kind of thing change. (BTW - this is overwhelmingly happening in the US in communities that have a Democratic supermajority; that’s why housing is so expensive in California, because new housing isn’t being built.)
‘Cities should be better designed so that we don’t have to use cars’ is pretty much the manifesto of fuckCars and that’s exactly how most people have replied to this guy. It’s the pro-car people who are being rude and ignorant about the anti-car position.
…Which I agree with. And it’s incredibly frustrating to me that, on the one hand, Republicans actively don’t give a shit about sprawl, and on the other hand, Democrats don’t want to ruin the charm and character of their lovely urban single-family neighborhoods with half acre plots of lawn in order to build dense housing that can make light rail economically viable. E.g., the people that should be on board with this shit talk a good game until it’s their own neighborhood.
I recognize my own hypocrisy here, because I moved to a rural area to get away from a city, and I am now finding that it isn’t rural enough because I can sometimes hear my closest neighbors. I just want to live in a shack like Ted… :(
Yeah, we have the same issues with NIMBYism here. Labour have moved to an increasingly YIMBY national policy, but in practice lots of local councillors are scared of losing their seats to NIMBY campaigners from other parties. This is why I hate the Green party!
Having read those comments… probably because OP already dismissed the legitimacy of the community and therefore interpreted all comments in the worst light. Any hint at even the smallest passion for the subject becomes “angry haters”.
Same as the other commenter who dismissed anyone wanting to go without cars as “paupers”, because they cannot imagine there being legitimate reasons to avoid cars.
Typical car brain. It’s really sad how so many people are completely incapable of even imagining alternatives to car centric design of living spaces.
It’s so wild how absolutely weak some people have gotten honestly. Maybe it’s being lazy, i don’t know. I was sitting on a table with friends and a couple talked about how they go on vacation in a sort of natural habitat or something. There are no cars, you park outside and then walk like 25min. And everyone talked about how insane that 25min walk is, and how it’s possible that they don’t offere rides or someone pick them up on a atv or something. Like the conversation went on for so long that i wasn’t sure if it was just a joke at some point. They googled the resort and looked for ways to maybe uber in or something. 25minute walk is what i do with my dog at night, every night.