I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don’t, you weren’t paying attention.

Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton’s campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we’re being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election “We’re about to get Brexited.” I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980’s.

Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They’re the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump’s mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.

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    Voters =/= DNC though

    We got Trump because Clinton was largely uninspiring. She made herself this bland neolib that nobody actually wanted to vote for and then mocked Trump as a non threat.

    Everything you said is true but I personally think the real reason it happened was because Clinton was a bad pitch and she would’ve lost to most Republicans at the time.

    They should’ve gone with Bernie just that simple

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      But the DNC didn’t care about the primary votes and shoved her in because “we need a female president” or some shit.

      I genuinely believe your average person both wants a female president and badly does not want it to be Hillary.

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      She literally ran the same year as Jeb “Please Clap” Bush, and this was after a stint at Secretary of State where she had to do an “apology tour” for spying on other nations.

      People were fed up with political dynasties that year, and the fact that the Democrats couldn’t read the room is why they lost.

      The DNC literally hid behind being a private club to justify putting their finger on the scale for Clinton.

      What’s that old saying? “If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table.”

      https://observer.com/2017/05/dnc-lawsuit-presidential-primaries-bernie-sanders-supporters/

      But here, where you have a party that’s saying, We’re gonna, you know, choose our standard bearer, and we’re gonna follow these general rules of the road, which we are voluntarily deciding, we could have – and we could have voluntarily decided that, look, we’re gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That’s not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right, and it would drag the COurt well into party politics, internal party politics to answer those questions.

      Here is the Democrats pounding the law that the DNC is a private club, so nobody can say their own rules are fair but them. They never argued the facts about whether or not it was rigged, because they didn’t have facts to support that.

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      Why not both? She sucked AND the DNC didn’t do enough.

      Bernie wasn’t a car-carrying insider like HRC. He wouldn’t play their game and they “owed” her for paying off the DNC debt.

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      I was saying before the 2016 primaries that the only candidate who could lose to Trump was Hillary, and the only candidate who could lose to Hillary was Trump. If either party had run a halfway decent candidate we wouldn’t be in this stupid timeline.