I just got up and took about 7 big huffs on a vape while making a coffee. 2% strength and my vision went, everything went black I started blacking out against the kitchen counter. Had to kneel down and wait for it to pass before standing up to finish my coffee. Fucked it up in a cloud of confusion and drank a warm milk.

How the fuck is nicotine legal?

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    help! I abused this drug and had a bad reaction how is this legal?!

    This post (assuming it isn’t bait) reminds me exactly of that meme with the guy throwing a stick through the spokes of their bike

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      assuming it isn’t bait

      Why do people assume the worst? I just whimsically puffed on a vape and thought - *“Fuck me this is too strong to be legal”. I don’t genuinely believe we need to ban nicotine. I’m pro legalisation of all drugs. I was just bored and found it interesting this drug that almost made me KO on the kitchen floor is legal. There’s no sinister plot or baits. Just a bored person.

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        My man, you almost KO’d because you took 7 big hits of a vasoconstrictor, which is entirely on you for misusing the drug.

        This is similar to drowning someone in a vat of vodka and asking ‘how can alcohol be legal??’

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      Talk like that is a slippery slope to becoming a hippy Hydro Homie and before you know it you’ll be suggesting crazy shit like I should drink water!

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    Why should it be illegal?

    No one is forcing you to huff it.

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      That’s a really bad argument. People smoking in public do force me to huff the second hand smoke.

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        That’s not an argument for banning nicotine in general. That’s an argument for banning smoking in public indoor places, which I think is already the case in most countries.

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          This and the fact that we’re talking about nicotine here, not cigarettes directly.

          Inhaling vapor is much less unhealthy (still unhealthy) than inhaling cigarette smoke.

          And what about nicotine patches? Should we can those because people don’t like inhaling smoke? Doesn’t make sense.

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      I should have been clearer - why is weed illegal while other less-harmful drugs like weed (UK) are illegal? Makes no sense. If I can black out from weed while making coffee surely to fuck weed which has never made me black out should be legal? All weed ever did was make me fucking laugh or get paranoid.

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        Most of the drug laws are due to back door racism, at least here in the US. They couldn’t make laws that directly targeted minorities and so they made laws that targeted things that were part of the targeted minorities culture. Opium and heroin laws seemed to target Asians and the weed laws seemed more to target “beatniks” and Native Americans. It’s an interesting (if depressing) research topic of you’ve a mind.

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        why is weed legal while other less harmful drugs like weed (UK) are illegal?

        wat

        If I can black out from weed while making coffee sure to fuck weed which has never made me black out should be legal?

        Lol I know you meant nicotine and not weed, I think the nicotine is still affecting you

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        why is weed illegal

        Now that’s a good question, very odd indeed. But I don’t know the answer.

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          It needs the public calling for it to be made legal and the rest not bothered if it is made legal before Commons would touch it.

          I’ve emailed my mayor and local MP about legalisation to no avail. Not even replied to as a courtesy. I watched the committee debate on legalisation that I think happened in 2016. It’s as if MPs KNOW legalising it makes sense but they don’t want to risk outright legalisation because the media will eviscerate them. Peter fucking Hitchens especially who led the charge to re-classify weed from class C to B because weed is “stronger than it was 50yrs ago”.

          Fucking brain rot in this country will mean legalisation will come in about 50yrs at the earliest.

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        You passing out from huffing on a vape is your own, wierd, unique reaction to nicotine due to your own misuse. I can pass out if I huff a glass of water and that would likely kill me. You can slam 20 energy drinks and make your heart explode, you can eat too much food and die, you can drink too much alcohol and get alcohol poisoning. That is all equivalent to someone who apparently has zero nicotine tolerance taking rips on a vape and being mad they got light headed. That is your own fault. That being said, I am totally down with legal weed and illegal nicotine, however, weed impairs your judgment for hours, nicotine only makes you a bit light headed for a minute, and only if you don’t have a tolerance. I say this as I rip my 12% vape with zero effect.

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          being mad they got light headed

          I’m not mad…

          I say this as I rip my 12% vape with zero effect.

          Oh maybe there’s some confusion. A 2% nicotine salt vape is equivalent to a 20% nicotine vape. So imagine doing a vape twice as strong in the morning and you get a good idea of why it caused me to be light-headed.

          You’re also slightly confused over my seriousness. I’m not seriously suggesting we make nicotine illegal. I just wondered why it’s legal and weed isn’t but at the same time I don’t really care.

          I guess my real reason for posting is I’m bored and lonely.

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      Hey now, if we just militarize our police a bit more, kill and/or throw a few more black people in jail, and further erode civil liberties, surely white kids will stop over dosing on drugs.

      /s for the morons

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      I do think it would be interesting to see a ban on alcohol today and how things would play out.

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          Yeah but do you see literally everyone doing it? I feel like most people would see the effort involved and just give up. sure, there would be a large underground black market for alcohol but I think the average person probably wouldn’t even bother trying to make their own.

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            Effort? What effort? Putting a bunch of sugar into juice and letting it sit for a couple of months takes almost no effort.

            Want something stronger? Put your newly created Cider in the freezer for a few hours then remove the ice. Congratulations you just freeze distilled your Cider in jack (nearly 30% abv)

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    Sounds more like a blood circulation thing. Nicotine overdose feels more like dizziness and tingling. If you ever feel like fainting try moving your arms and legs to get blood circulation up again. If it happens often see a doctor.

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      I like the discussion on nicotine, but yeah. Op’s “medical moment” seems unrelated to nicotine!

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    Same way caffien is legal. If you downed 7 espresso shots in a row I’d bet you’d also feel some advers effects. Hell down 7 McDoubles and see if you dont feel adverse effects.

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    My guy, see a doctor. Temporary blindness/blacking out is not a normal reaction to nicotine, even in excess. “Nic sick” should just mean nausea/vomiting, dizziness and headaches.

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      I take it you have never taken nicotine in any capacity then. This is not “nic sick” but that “first hit of the day.” Happened to me and everyone I knew when i smoked cigs, and when I kicked it for vaping, and when I kicked that for gum, patches, and lozenges. It’s lightheadedness caused by replacing all your air with not air AND the head rush of nicotine.

      That said OP should kick the habit if they can anyway (:

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      I got unconscious on marijuana two times. Not much, smoked a few times before without any consequences. Went to the doctor, he tested my heartbeat (I think), which was fine, and said „well just don’t smoke marijuana“. Which I ended up doing because I was scared. But I would have liked to know what the fuck was going on with me because that can’t be normal. The doctor did not care.

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      Idk I tried a weed vape once and felt like I was going to pass out like that lol. I stick to edibles.

      Not that weird imo if he puffed it that many times in a row without coming up for air.

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    All drugs should be legal. Heroin should be legal. What actions people decide to take towards their own bodies are none of the governments concern (outside of offering rehabilitation).

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    Lobbying. Why is anything in its current legal status? Because a lobby somewhere has spent an amount of money to convince someone to make it so.

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      My body is a temple (of shit). I used to be a fit, healthy runner & judoka until I became a fat meth addict in my 30s. Now at 40 I’ve quit meth but I was probably suffering from dehydration[1], high BP[2] and shite health[3] when I vaped this morning so the head rush had more effect than normal.

      I struggle to give a fuck though. I was told I have high cholesterol a few years back but tbh I don’t really wanna be here.

      But I don’t have the guts to end it[4] so I’ll just coast along abusing my body til it packs up and dies. I’m doing well at that: I’m so sedentary I get back ache just standing up and I’m still about 20kg overweight. This year I’m 41! I don’t remember the last time I celebrated a birthday and this year won’t be different. I have an uncle who died at 42 of a heart attack; maybe I’ll go the same age.

      • [1] After 3 cups of coffee I’ve peed once in the past few hours.
      • [2] Overweight with cholesterol so bound to have high BP.
      • [3] Recovering drug addict.
      • [4] More due to lack of success, trying repeatedly for 20yrs and failing every time.
      • I feel you.

        I’ve had a hard life, too. Not in the same way - for me, it was the Army, backpacking, rollerblading everywhere, skiing every year since childhood, dabbling in various martial arts, and just a lot of physical activity. Now, later in life I have chronic back pain, my knees are shot, and I have arthritis. I can’t do any of those physical activities that I loved so much anymore, I’m tired of corrective surgeries, and I’m just weary of being in constant pain. I used to obsess about the fact that I couldn’t avoid dying some day; now, it’s comforting to know someday the pain will be over.

        So I get where you’re coming from, and I hope you can get to a better place.

        If I’m allowed two minor rants: a highly physical life will wear you down. The body wears out: being active makes it happen faster. Obviously, being obese brings it’s own issues, but the fact that we (Americans) villify sedentary lifestyles but glorify sports is unbalanced. The rule should be: moderation in all things.

        My second rant: because of the opioid crisis, people who are in chronic pain are treated like addicts. Medical professionals are now terrified of using the best pain management tool available to us today. Example: my wife is going in for a major surgery - they’re literally cutting her abdomen open, taking her guts out, cutting a bunch of stuff that shouldn’t be there out, and stitching her back together. The recovery period will be months. She’s been tld going in that they want to manage the pain without opioids – which isn’t “managing” the fucking pain, it’s just forcing her to suffer through it. All because of laws and regulations punishing the prescription of opioids has doctor afraid of doing it. It makes me furious.

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        You seem to understand what happened decently well already, why did you really make this post? Your situation reminds me of my wife’s father who was in a similar situation, over 40, ex meth user who had ended up on cigarettes and really abused himself until he got cancer from the cigs and passed and his negligence for his own life really hurt my wife and her family. He was a badass dude, and I regret I didn’t know him better.

        I hope you can find a reason to treat yourself better, especially if anyone loves or relies on you, it’s the best reason I have to do decent in life, it’d never be for me, it’d be for my loved ones.

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    The bigger question is why alcohol is not illegal. Ruins lives and families all over the globe. It is addictive, although not as much as opioids, and drunk people cannot drive and can also otherwise not be trusted. Some tend to violent outbursts etc.

    The only answer is: It’s easy to make, it’s been tradition and banning/limiting it has been tried before. And that’s also the reason why tobacco is still legal and nicotine isn’t illegal.

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      It is addictive, although not as much as opioids

      Here’s the thing. There’s that famous study of Vietnam vets who used heroin. Turns out that 95% quit cold turkey and never relapsed. In Vietnam, their life was shit, so they used heroin to cope. Back in the US, their lives weren’t that shit, so they simply stopped using.

      Alcohol? If an alcoholic quits cold turkey, there’s a high chance they’ll drop dead.

      This is partly why there’s that 2010 study that ranked alcohol as being more dangerous than heroin.