Which of the following sounds more reasonable?

  • I shouldn’t have to pay for the content that I use to tune my LLM model and algorithm.

  • We shouldn’t have to pay for the content we use to train and teach an AI.

By calling it AI, the corporations are able to advocate for a position that’s blatantly pro corporate and anti writer/artist, and trick people into supporting it under the guise of a technological development.

  • pensivepangolin@lemmy.world
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    I think it’s the same reason the CEO’s of these corporations are clamoring about their own products being doomsday devices: it gives them massive power over crafting regulatory policy, thus letting them make sure it’s favorable to their business interests.

    Even more frustrating when you realize, and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, these new “AI” programs and LLMs aren’t really novel in terms of theoretical approach: the real revolution is the amount of computing power and data to throw at them.

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      The funniest thing I’ve seen on this is the ChatGPT CEO, Altman, talking about how he’s a bit afraid of what they’ve created and how it needs limitations – and then when the EU begins to look at regulations, he immediately rejects the concept, to the point of threatening to leave the European market. It’s incredibly transparent what they’re doing.

      Unfortunately I don’t know enough about the technology to say if the algorithms and concepts themselves are novel, but without a doubt they couldn’t exist without modern computing power capabilities.

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        I can tell for a fact that there’s nothing new going on. Only the MASSIVE investment from Microsoft to allow them to train on an insane amount of data. I am no “expert” per se, but I’ve been studying and working with AI for over a decade - so feel free to judge my reply as you please

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          nothing new going on

          Uhhhh the available models are improving by leaps and bounds by the month, and there’s quite a bit of tangible advancement happening every week. Even more critically the models that can be run on a single computer are very quickly catching up to those that just a year or two ago required some percentage of a hyperscaler’s datacenter to operate

          Unless you mean to say that the current insane pace of advancement is all built off of decades of research and a lot of the specific advancements recently happen to be fairly small innovations into previous research infused with a crapload of cash and hype (far more than most researchers could only dream of)

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            all built off of decades of research and a lot of the specific advancements recently happen to be fairly small innovations into previous research infused with a crapload of cash and hype>

            That’s exactly what I mean! The research projects I’ve been 5-7 years ago had already created LLMs like this that were as impressive as GPT. I don’t mean that the things that are going on aren’t impressive, I just mean that there’s nothing actually new. That’s all. IT’s similar to the previous hype wave that happened in AI with machine learning models when google was pushing deep learning. I really just want to point that out.

            EDIT: Typo

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          nothing new going on

          I can’t think of anything less accurate to say about LLMs other than that they’re a world-ending threat.

          This is a bit like saying “The internet is a cute thing for tech nerds but will never go mainstream” in like 1995.

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        The concepts themselves are some 30 years old, but storage capacity and processing speed have only recently reached a point where generative AI outperforms competing solutions.

        But regarding the regulation thing, I don’t know what was said or proposed, and this is just me playing devil’s advocate: but could it be that the CEO simply doesn’t agree with the specifics of the proposed regulations while still believing that some other, different kind of regulation should exist?

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          Certainly could be, but probably an optimistic take. Most likely they’re just trying to do what corporations have been doing for ages, which is to weaponize government policy to prevent competition. They don’t want restrictions that will materially impact their product, they want restrictions that will materially impact startups to make it more difficult for them to intrude on the established space.

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            I think if you fed your response into ChatGPT and asked it to summarize in two words it would return,

            “Regulatory Capture”

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      LLMs are pretty novel. They are made possible by invention of the Transformer model, that operates significantly different compared to, say, RNN.

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      It also plays into the hype cycle they’re trying to create. Saying you’ve made an AI is more likely to capture the attention of the masses then saying you have a LLM. Ditto that point for the existential doomerism that they ceo’s have. Saying your tech is so powerful that it might lead to humanity’s extinction does wonders in building hype.

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        Agreed. And all you really need to do is browse any of the headlines from even respectable news outlets to see how well it’s working. It’s just article after article uncritically parroting whatever claims these CEO’s make at face value at least 50% of the time. It’s mind-numbing.

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      The fear mongering is pretty ridiculous.

      “AI could DESTROY HUMANITY. It’s like the ATOMIC BOMB! Look at it’s RAW POWER!”

      AI generates an image of cats playing canasta.

      “By God…”

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      We could say that the human brain isn’t novel in terms of biological composition: the real evolution is the size increase compared to the body.

      The fact that insects exist doesn’t make us less intelligent.

      But I agree with the sentiment of the argument.