tlhIngan Hol vIghojtaH!

  • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
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    9 months ago

    “Courses” is a strong word for what Duolingo offers. It just shows you flashcards, but never explains grammar/syntax rules. Lingodeer is far superior.

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      9 months ago

      Lingodeer is a technical mess with popups, banners and lock or crown icons everywhere. There are situations where it just won’t let you continue to the next lesson and the flow inside the exercises is very janky. Turning off the animations helps a lot but it’s nowhere near the ease of use of Duolingo.

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      9 months ago

      The problem with all these alternatives is that the language selection is extremely limited. You want to learn English, French, German, or Spanish? Great, there are a million options for you! But if you go a bit more niche like Finnish or Irish, your options are much more limited. Of course there are ways to learn those languages - and much better ways than Duolingo. But Duolingo’s strength is offering a bunch of them, for free, in one place.

      Note that I’m not trying to defend Duolingo, but rather deploring the lack of alternatives.

    • stinerman [Ohio]@midwest.social
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      9 months ago

      I use Duolingo (and actually pay for it) and I agree 100% with this. The app is primarily about keeping you engaged and on the app. The method is by attempting to teach you a language.

  • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    Fascinating that Duolingo tries to teach Navajo. The language is incredibly tonal and with sounds not native to most languages. I imagine it’s incredibly difficult to teach through an online service

    • Apathy Tree@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      9 months ago

      Idk how duolinguo works (at all), but if the app can play the sounds for you and judge on your pronunciation, that would be quite enough to do the job. If it can handle mandarin (idk if it can) than any tonal based language is fair game.

      I would think any decent speech to text could do a decent job determining pronunciation, if there isn’t a dedicated thing for that… either it registers or it gets garble and you try again.

  • Smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    I almost found a way to get university credit for learning Klingon. My downfall was that the Klingon Language Institute was not an “accredited” learning institution. I wonder if that’s changed yet…

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    9 months ago

    High Valerian also doesn’t have all the ingredients to become an actual language. All I did was translate words in sentences into the language for the show, but Klingon, it is an actual language and has been developed enough that you can call it a language

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      6 months ago

      Yeah, Klingon was deliberately designed to have object-verb-subject word order (among other unusual features) just to make it more alien.

  • Sagrotan@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Language learning apps work only to give you an overview over a language, to look if a language is worth learning. You really wanna learn? Search for someone who’s mother tongue it is in your vicinity and contact him. You’ll be surprised, how much fun that’ll be, your friendly Klingon in the neighborhood, crashing your door in at 3 a.m., hellish drunk, just to show you his new Gagh recipe, or you’ll find yourself as a slave in the fictional world of an obese old creep. Learning new languages is awesome, right?

  • BB69@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Also courses for the language of the imaginary land of Finland.

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    9 months ago

    i wish they would spend more time fixing vietnamese instead of shit like this

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    9 months ago

    Anyone know a good place to learn Farsi (Persian). Duolingo doesn’t have it yet, if ever

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      9 months ago

      It’s a real shame duolingo doesn’t have Farsi (or none of the other apps I’m routinely using, for that matter). Let’s hope it becomes a thing sooner than later

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      9 months ago

      I used Mondly fully free a few years ago. It was good. I don’t know how it is now.

      I also used Anki flashcards.

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      9 months ago

      That’s what multiple genocides get you. A language rated as Vulnerable in UNESCO.

      Still, there are about 170,000 people who speak Navajo, with about 8000 who only speak Navajo.

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        9 months ago

        US: kills all the Navajo speakers

        Also US: “Wow, there are so few Navajo speakers! We should use it as a secret military code!”

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          It wasn’t just Navajo. It was also encrypted/coded in Navajo to make it even more complicated on top of an already complex language. The code talkers were incredibly important to the war effort. The code was never cracked either. Makes me really proud of them for doing such a good (and dangerous) job.

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        9 months ago

        Also doesn’t help that Navajo is an INCREDIBLY divergent language compared to basically everything else, even other languages native to North America save those of related languages.

        It’s probably as close to a natlang ithkuil as linguistic science may have ever discovered, so acquiring it non-natively is A TON of work.

        Also I may be confusing it with another indigenous language but IIRC there are some Navajo nation communities in which teaching the language to outsiders is seen as a GRAVE offense.

        You can guess that the course on Duolingo isn’t exactly regarded as on par with their French and Spanish courses. That and their attempt at Hawaiian and the ensuant backlash over how bad both were are partially responsible for why Duolingo has yet to expand into a significant number of new languages.

  • niktemadur@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Many asteroids and Kuiper Belt objects discovered by the Keck telescope, on the big island, have been given Hawaiian names, adding to the very few words I knew before, like aloha, mahalo, pahoa’hoa and a’a, the last two being types of lava, either runny or crumbly.

    • BulbasaurBabu@lemmings.world
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      9 months ago

      ‘Okina only precede vowels and I think you’re confused about pahoahoa, it’s pahoehoe. Good job on a‘a, though!