I got banned from the forums after having been considered “too combative” for not taking it lightly that a moderator lectured me on unrelated forum etiquette rules.
I wanted to discuss a legitimate technical issue, which turned out to be coil whine - at the time I did not know it was called that. A community member offered some advice, and I asked them kindly whether they would like to remove a particular question which I’ve answered in the very previous original post. They became offended by the very suggestion of this and deleted their whole reply, including the useful stuff. The moderator stepped in here and gave me a petty little lecture on all kinds of behavior norms, which I one by one refuted - to no avail, the thread just got locked.
Ok, fresh start. Let’s open another topic because I’m not here to bicker - I have an issue to discuss. The new topic got closed within 10 minutes by a mod, threatening me with a ban if I open it again.
I thought that was kinda ridiculous, because I’m a Framework customer and I want to discuss an issue with my laptop, so I opened anothe topic. Sure enough, it got closed and I got banned for a month.
A month has passed, and my problem is still there. One day when I’m browsing the interwebs to understand my issue, I stumble upon another Framework forum post discussing the same thing. My ban being lifted, I jump into the conversation and confirm that I have the same issue, and I share my story of having been banned after trying to discuss this. As you might guess, a mod appears, closes this topic as well, and states that the real reason I’ve been banned is that I have… wait for it… FREIGHT FORWARDED! And proceeds to permaban me on the spot with the notice “too combative”! What the hell, Framework!!!
I hadn’t freight forwarded and I have no possible explanation as to why this mod was jumping at me like that. Anyway, let’s take to reddit to complain about this. Quickly, a mob of zealous Framework fans forms, trampling over each other trying to lecture me that freight forwarding is prohibited etc… I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT FREIGHT FORWARDING! I was complaining about a mod accusing me of freight forwarding and banning me for this bogus reason! And guess what - eventually the thread gets shut down after inevitably devolving into a discussion of freight forwarding (to which Framework has a similarly bogus attitude, although that has changed slightly with them conceding to European single market regulations) - the Reddit thread gets locked as well and I get permabanned from the subreddit for “discussing freight forwarding”!
Ever since, I message the mods on Reddit every now and then, reminding them of the utterly crazy way they’ve been treating me, and the usual response is just a temporary mute so that I can’t message them further.
Does anyone else have a similar experience?
It sounds like every step of the way, on multiple sites, everyone you’ve interacted with has told you they find your tone combative and your behavior unacceptable.
Usually, when everyone around you in multiple different contexts tells you you’re wrong, you’re probably wrong.
Many people tell me I’m wrong, and usually what they mean is I’m annoying. They are also ignoring the points I’m right about. Nothing new there. I want people to focus on how Framework is overstepping the boundaries though, because I’m not the important issue here. You will probably never interact with me ever again, so why focus on my traits? Framework is here to stay in the public space, so let’s focus on what they are doing wrong - and you know what? People do understand this, and they feel powerless about it, and they take it out on me instead as a form of cognitive dissonance reduction. I don’t blame anyone for doing this. But do note how much effort people suddenly put into correcting the behavior of someone they have no interest in. Funny, isn’t it?
What we are trying to teach you is that nobody cares if your right, or wrong.
They care if their future interactions with framework will be good or bad, your not giving anyone actionable data that their future interactions with framework will be bad.
Your experience is basically - If you go start a fight with a company, they ban you. Noted, most people thinking about buying a framework laptop arn’t also planning on starting fights, so your experience isn’t transferable.
I want people to think about more than their selfish interest and act as a society that demands more from corporations. One that demands fair treatment, one that doesn’t condone permabanning people for being annoying. Despite the noise, I’m convinced it’s working. There are voices that seem to understand this, and I am positive that over time people who will find this thread will be shocked at the vitriol people let out at my report. It will make future readers think and try to understand why it’s important to raise the stink I’m raising. We have a choice - we can be individuals taken advantage of or a society that stands up for norms that serve everyone’s interest. Shutting people up forever for being annoying is not one of those norms. That’s the norm of an aggressive mob.
I think you’re lost in your own head. Nobody in this discussion has said framework was in the wrong for removing you from the forums for being disruptive.
Sure you can fight the goods fight about open free spaces and allowing annoying people to participate. And you can run a Lemmy instance for that. You can’t, and you probably will never be able to, force other people to accept your annoyance in their house. Which is what you want. And I don’t think you will find general support to allow you to annoy other people on your own terms on their systems
You weren’t banned for “being annoying”, you were banned for being combative with the people trying to help you.
Not combative, argumentative. Stop using bellicose terms for something not violent. The only violent act was removing me from the forums.
I don’t think you understand what “combative” or “violent” means.