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Interpreting “a previously-unrecognized weakness in X was just found” as “X just got weaker” is dangerously bad tech writing.
In my opinion Dan Goodin always reports as an alarmist and rarely gives mitigation much focus or in one case I recall, he didn’t even mention the vulnerable code never made it to the release branch since they found the vulnerability during testing, until the second to last paragraph (and pretended that paragraph didn’t exist in the last paragraph). I can’t say in that one case, it wasn’t strategic but it sure seemed that way.
For example, he failed to note that the openssh 9.6 patch was released Monday to fix this attack. It would have went perfectly in the section called “Risk assessment” or perhaps in “So what now?” mentioned that people should, I don’t know, apply the patch that fixes it.
Another example where he tries scare the reading stating that “researchers found that 77 percent of SSH servers exposed to the Internet support at least one of the vulnerable encryption modes, while 57 percent of them list a vulnerable encryption mode as the preferred choice.” which is fine to show how prevalent the algorithms are used but does not mention that the attack would have to be complicated and at both end points to be effective on the Internet or that the attack is defeated with a secure tunnel (IPSec or IKE for example) if still supporting the vulnerable key exchange methods.
He also seems to love to bash FOSS anything as hard as possible, in what to me, feels like a quest to prove proprietary software is more secure than FOSS. When I see his name as an author, I immediately take it with a grain of salt and look for another source of the same information.
I get your point that the exploit existed before it was identified, but an unmitigated exploit that people are aware of is worse than an unmitigated exploit people aren’t aware of. Security through obscurity isn’t security, of course, but exploiting a vulnerability is easier than finding, then exploiting a vulnerability. There is a reason that notifying the company before publicizing an exploit is the standard for security researchers.
You’re right that it’s never an OK title, because fuck clickbait, but until it’s patched and said patch propagates into the real world, more people being aware of the hole does increase the risk (though it doesn’t sound like it’s actually a huge show stopper, either).
Also, finding an exploit means the system will get stronger very shortly.
Weakness and risk are distinct things, though—and while security-through-obscurity is dubious, “strength-through-obscurity” is outright false.
Conflating the two implies that software weaknesses are caused by attackers instead of just exploited by them, and suggests they can be addressed by restricting the external environment rather than by better software audits.
ChaCha20-Poly1305 and CBC with Encrypt-then-MAC ciphers are vulnerable to a MITM attack.
Saved you a click.
Why use CBC too? Cha-Cha20-Poly1305 is an AEAD, so both an assymetric plus a symmetric stream cipher.
Just checked my own sshd configs and I don’t use CBC in them. I’ve based the kex/cipher/Mac configs off of cipherlist.eu and the mozilla docs current standards. Guess it pays to never use default configs for sshd if it’s ever exposed to the Internet.
Edit: I read it wrong. It’s chacha20 OR CBC. I rely heavily on the former with none of the latter.
Ah thanks! Didn’t catch that.
I thought most SSH servers default to some AES-based cypher like most other programs. Is that not the case?
Since he doesn’t mention it in his ‘fantastic’ reporting, OpenSSH 9.6 was released Monday that will patch this attack. Also, since he doesn’t mention it, if on the Internet, the MITM would have to be installed at both end points (client side and server side) to be effective without the patch.
Since he doesn’t mention it in his ‘fantastic’ reporting, OpenSSH 9.6 was released Monday that will patch this attack.
I am tempted to delete this post just for the article’s stupid clickbait headline, but it still will probably cause some people to go update their OpenSSH installs, so… meh.
Anyone who actually wants to know details of the vulnerability should read the website about it which is obviously much better than this article.
Also, since he doesn’t mention it, if on the Internet, the MITM would have to be installed at both end points (client side and server side) to be effective without the patch.
Huh? No. The attacker doesn’t need to be in two places or even near either end per se, they could be located at any fully on-path position between the client and server.
It’s better that you guys discuss it in the comments and the click bait effectively makes me click the comments so it all worked out; thanks all.
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So you need an MitM situation to even be able to perfom the attack, and the the attack on works on two ciphers? The article says those ciphers are commonly enabled, but are they default or used in relatively modern distributed versions of openssh?
A scan performed by the researchers found that 77 percent of SSH servers exposed to the Internet support at least one of the vulnerable encryption modes, while 57 percent of them list a vulnerable encryption mode as the preferred choice.
That means a client could negotiate one or the other on more than half of all internets exposed openssh daemons.
I haven’t got too whizzed up over this, yet, because I have no ssh daemons exposed without a VPN outer wrapper. However it does look nasty.
If you need a man in the middle to exploit this, it’s not that nasty.
Ylönen, who at the time knew little about implementing strong cryptography in code, set out to develop the Secure Shell Protocol (SSH)
TIL SSH was invented by a Finn. I swear that country has the most awesome per capita of any country on earth.
Long dark winters when everyone is home without socializing with people. You have got to come up with something to survive until the two week summer.
Long dark winters when everyone is home without socializing with people. You have got to come up with something to survive until the two week summer.
I expect better of Ars. Absolute clickbait title and sensationalism. You need a two point MITM and even then it’s not a magic shell.
Great photo illustration
I might just go ahead and change the default port. Problem solved
If someone going through the effort to target you with a MitM over the Internet, that’s not going to stop them.
Just diable the affected ciphers and/or update opened.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Once in place, this piece of dedicated hardware surreptitiously inhaled thousands of user names and passwords before it was finally discovered.
Ylönen, who at the time knew little about implementing strong cryptography in code, set out to develop the Secure Shell Protocol (SSH) in early 1995, about three months after the discovery of the password sniffer.
As one of the first network tools to route traffic through an impregnable tunnel fortified with a still-esoteric feature known as “public key encryption,” SSH quickly caught on around the world.
Today, it’s hard to overstate the importance of the protocol, which underpins the security of apps used inside millions of organizations, including cloud environments crucial to Google, Amazon, Facebook, and other large companies.
Now, nearly 30 years later, researchers have devised an attack with the potential to undermine, if not cripple, cryptographic SSH protections that the networking world takes for granted.
The attack targets the BPP, short for Binary Packet Protocol, which is designed to ensure that adversaries with an active position can’t add or drop messages exchanged during the handshake.
The original article contains 658 words, the summary contains 178 words. Saved 73%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
you missed this part:
For Terrapin to be viable, the connection it interferes with also must be secured by either “ChaCha20-Poly1305” or “CBC with Encrypt-then-MAC,” both of which are cipher modes added to the SSH protocol (in 2013 and 2012, respectively). A scan performed by the researchers found that 77 percent of SSH servers exposed to the Internet support at least one of the vulnerable encryption modes, while 57 percent of them list a vulnerable encryption mode as the preferred choice.
Also that in order to exploit this it requires an active man in the middle. Which requires any of the following:
- Reverse proxy hijack/NAT hijack - from a compromised machine near the server
- BGP hijack - stealing traffic to the real IP
- DNS hijack - stealing traffic to send to a different IP
- Malicious/compromised network transit
- Local network gateway control
- WAP poisoning - wifi roaming is designed really well so this is actually easier than it sounds.
Almost all of those have decent mitigations like 801.x and BGP monitoring. The best mitigation is that you can just change your client config to disable those ciphersuites though.
