• daftwerder@lemm.ee
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    So what you’re saying is that innocent civilian deaths are deserved and you are in support of them? For example, if there was a school hostage situation in your hometown, law enforcement should bomb the whole place, children and all! After seeing all of the easily debunked lies IDF puts out, it’s hard to trust any single thing they say.

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      1 year ago

      deserved != justified

      If someone takes hostages they should be taken out even if it might mean collateral damage. Doing otherwise encourages more hostage taking in the future. Police actions do not need air support.

      after seeing all of the easily debunked lies IDF puts out

      Citation? The only IDF lie I’m aware of was when that Palestinian reporter lady was capped by IDF and they initially lied about the circumstances, but later admitted it and apologized.

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          Thanks, but I am unable to see the thread, all I see is a post citing a photo of soldiers in Al-Shifa hospital claiming it is a lie with no context or sources. Perhaps it’s because I don’t have a twitter account?

          I believe it’s well established by now that Hamas made the hospital a military target, both by building a tunnel network under the hospital and having their soldiers hide kidnapped people from Oct.7 within it.

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              Thanks! I can see it now. This thread is about things IDF and its media allies have done. The latter are generally anonymous online posters probably not affiliated with IDF, and represent almost all of the examples here.

              • “We had to attack Al Shifa hospital because it’s a Hamas base.” -This is pretty much verified now, CNN sent a reporter to Al Shifa who verified there is a passage to a tunnel network beneath it, (link above.)
              • Disinformation from, “Edy Cohen, a prominent Israeli social media influencer,” who is not IDF.
              • Photo op of boxes that are labeled, “medical supplies,” just because it’s clearly a photo op doesn’t make it a lie.
              • Al Shifa nurse, accused of being fake a social media actress. She denies this, and it’s another post from Edy Cohen, who is still not IDF.
              • “Hamas computer,” I mean maybe this is BS, but it’s hard for me to know, certainly doesn’t seem like a smoking gun and all the evidence that the laptop is fake seems to come from a biased/not credible source. (I don’t know about IDF laptop labeling and the full charge could have happened many ways; disuse, recharging from batteries or generators, Hamas likely still has fuel.) In any event it seems irrelevant now that the tunnels beneath are verified.
              • Rantisi hospital, whoa, that’s some serious disinformation on this thread. From the NY times:

              Monday’s video included footage of a piece of paper taped to a wall in the hospital’s basement. Admiral Hagari said the paper — a grid with Arabic words and numbers within each square — could be a schedule for guarding hostages “where every terrorist writes his name.”
              The paper included a mark that appeared to be an illegible signature, but did not seem to otherwise include people’s names — the Arabic words were days of the week and numbers underneath dates. The Gazan Health Ministry said in a statement that the paper, including days and dates, was nothing more than “a regular work shift timetable, a standard administrative practice in hospitals.”
              The ministry, however, failed to address one key detail: The calendar begins on Oct. 7, the day of the Hamas terrorist attack on Israel, and an Arabic title written at the top uses the militants’ name for the assault: “Al Aqsa Flood Battle, 7/10/2023.”

              There’s also a lot of other evidence the IDF released at this hospital, including weapons caches and a tunnel. (links in NY times article.)

              • “Al Ahli Baptist Hospital was bombed, killing hundreds. Not only was the blast 16x more powerful than anything Palestinian fighters have used but Israel put out a clearly faked video as ‘proof’ Hamas did the attack.” While I can’t speak for the authenticity of the linked audio clip, this BBC investigation seems to support the conclusion that this was a misfire from within Gaza, and actually had a much smaller yield/crater than IDF munitions would.
              • “fake calls of Hamas “confessions” have become standard practice for Israel.” Their proof? A Hamas spokesperson and 2 other anonymous Arab journalists said the accent didn’t sound right on a recording supposedly from Hamas. I mean, it’s possible, but this isn’t exactly a smoking gun either. Weak proof if it is proof at all.
              • “Israel President Isaac Herzog recently brought out a copy of “Mein Kampf” claimed to be from Gaza. There’s no way we can debunk this…” so why include it as evidence?
              • “In the US, Israel’s allies have tried to misrepresent pro-Palestine protesters. Many claimed @jvplive activists pepper sprayed cops in DC. Journalist Dave Weigel posted video evidence showing it was the other way around.” This is not IDF, this is US cops and, “Israel’s allies,” presumably anonymous online people. Sometimes pro-Palestine groups are violent and this isn’t always a misrepresentation.
              • “they’ve tried to claim peace activists are “antisemitic” while Israel supporters are not.” Maybe this is bad argument that inappropriately conflates Israel with Judaism in general, but bad take != lie.
              • “it’s worth remembering they assassinated Shireen Abu Akleh, denied it, and then admitted to it.” Yes, this is the first claim supported by compelling evidence in the whole damn thread! What they did to her was wrong, period, and it’s fucked up they never punished the one responsible. This was indeed an atrocity committed by the IDF that they lied about.
              • “These are not “Hostage Information” or “Intel.” It’s most likely notes belonging to a journalist” Dude says he’s seeing it for the first time when he pulls it out.

              I don’t know who “JoeWrote” is but that person is pushing some serious anti-Israel (dis)information.