Why YSK: Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and Sh.itjust.works effectively shadowbanning anyone from those instances. You will not be able to interact with their users or posts.

Edit: A lot of people are asking why Beehaw did this. I want to keep this post informational and not color it with my personal opinion. I am adding a link to the Beehaw announcement if you are interested in reading it, you can form your own views. https://beehaw.org/post/567170

    • Riaz@lemmy.worldEnglish
      538·
      1 year ago

      Or just ignore them and let become less popular and soon enough the important communities will move away or be replaced. I really dislike how many influence communities are in such a one dimensional instance, luckily I have already seen a few of those moving over to .world or elsewhere and I can’t wait!

      I like to have people with all sorts of backgrounds and opinions in my instance, not just everyone with the same black and white viewpoint!

      • SwallowsDick@lemmy.worldEnglish
        151·
        1 year ago

        Yeah, it’s a hard balance to follow. Of course you want full, natural diversity of people and opinions in a group. But hateful right wing toxicity is also way overrepresented online, and has to be moderated against if you don’t want a niche online platform to turn into 4chan or whatever

      • Jack.@lemmy.worldEnglish
        143·
        1 year ago

        Yeah. Beehaw is trying to make an echo chamber and it’s best to stray away from that approach.

      • Bear@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        6·
        1 year ago

        Disclaimer: pretty new to Lemmy and federation (older than this account though).

        From what I gather, defederation is supposed to be a function of this whole system, but intended to cut off whole instances that refuse to moderate or are active cesspools. In saying that, I don’t understand Beehaw cutting off two of the other biggest instances. I know they have a weird mentality over there of no downvotes and saw some odd conversations condemning someone’s political views while admitting to not know the person at all (dafuq?).

        It seems to me it would make more sense to block a single community rather than the whole instance.

        Maybe they want a walled garden, but as new people come in and want as much content as possible to show that this is a better venue than Reddit, to me they give off the wrong message.

        Am I mistaken somehow? Anyone able to enlighten me?

      • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        31·
        1 year ago

        Yeah, many subreddits were/are getting ridiculous in this area. Silencing people is not the way. I’d rather openly discuss why something that’s said was shitty then pretend the person never said it.

        This said, astro-turfing is a thing, and that is a downside to low or no moderation…

    • Album@lemmy.caEnglish
      188·
      1 year ago

      Yeah that’s why defederation is pointless. Its the sticking a stick in your bike spokes meme of the fediverse.

      • Spzi@lemm.eeEnglish
        241·
        1 year ago

        Depends on your use case. Since Beehaw has no open registration, but approves new users, that makes a difference.

        […] our reason for defederating, by and large, boils down to:

        • these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undesirable behavior;
        • the disproportionate number of moderator actions we take against users of these two instances, and the general amount of time we have to dedicate to bad actors on those two instances;
        • […]

        If you want a moderated registration process, and people can join you through the backdoor, leaving that door open is like sticking a stick in your bike spokes.