• Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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    11 months ago

    I’m for small government and personal rights. So I’m pro choice, because I don’t think big government should be forcing their people to do things they don’t want.

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      11 months ago

      Im also for small government and personal rights. But I firmly believe murder should be a crime.

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            11 months ago

            Try to use your brain like a grown person and not have strong opinions on things that you clearly know very little about. Anyone that knows what abortion really is, when and why it’s done doesn’t think it’s murder. You also completely ignore the life quality of the children that are forced to be born with physical and/or mental problems, parents that can’t afford to give them even the basics, the mental and physical strain that can kill both child and mother etc.

            You are a deeply shitty and stupid person and you would do everyone a favor by learning even the basics of things you have opinions about, or shutting the hell up.

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              Have you seen a video of a late term abortion? They literally pull out arms and legs piece by piece. You can cope internally all you want but you are ending a human life when you abort a child. There isn’t something that magically makes them become human when the leave the womb.

              You also completely ignore the life quality of the children that are forced to be born with physical and/or mental problems, parents that can’t afford to give them even the basics, the mental and physical strain that can kill both child and mother etc.

              This whole shpiel is completely detached from whether aborting a baby is murder or not. You are rambling while telling people to “learn the basics of things” despite you not really understanding them yourself.

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                Late term abortion is not a great argument. At some point it is too far along and then most would agree with your point. But to use that point to justify getting rid of all abortion, no matter how far along, is just a weak strawman argument.

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                  At what point does it become a human? So would you be okay with banning abortion after the point where you consider it “life”? It seems you recognize that the fetus inside the woman is a human at some point, whereas many people argue it’s not a human until its born.

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                    Viability. If we can safely take care of it outside of the mother then we should do it. That’s bare minimum 20.5 weeks, but realistically probably 23 or 24 weeks. I would like to see discussions about that range from medical professionals and lawmakers in charge of the budget since that early can be very expensive.

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        11 months ago

        That’s not what murder is, and you know it.

        Stop it with this weak rhetoric.

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              10 months ago

              Of course. But in almost all instances the person being killed did something to deserve it. A child in the womb did nothing to deserve it.

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                10 months ago

                Completely irrelevant. Their very existence, location, and demand for resources makes them a threat. Women historically die from pregnancy more than any other factors.

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                  10 months ago

                  What definition are you going by? Definition is: “a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.” none of that excludes those who are yet to be born.

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        11 months ago

        “small government” meaning “I decide what is murder, your opinions and beliefs don’t matter, and I’m not willing to hear your arguments against it”.