Excerpt:
“First and foremost, we need to sort out the matter of the hostages, to swap them with the terrorists that are here [referring to Palestinian prisoners held by Israel, not all of whom were involved in militant activities]; it’s just explosive material to hold them in prison. After that, we need to sit down and negotiate a peace agreement,” Pauker said. As he spoke, the sounds of explosions from Israel’s airstrikes on Gaza could be heard in the background.
“I have good friends from across the border [in Gaza], but I can’t meet them, and they can’t meet me. They used to come to my house. I spoke to them on Saturday. They are human beings. They have bad leaders, like us. We can throw away the leaders on both sides and make peace in a matter of minutes.”
It doesn’t seem fair to call Hamas terrorists when every peaceful form of resistance against the occupiers has been criminalized.
The quote from the article has it right: “They are human beings. They have bad leaders, like us. We can throw away the leaders on both sides and make peace in a matter of minutes”.
Hamas and Likud are the instigators of this, and they actually both want to entirely destroy the other side rather than a peaceful resolution. To quote Hamas’ 2017 charter: “Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea” (noting that means the complete destruction of Israel). To quote Netanyahu: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian State has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring of money to Hamas… This is part of our strategy”.
Deliberately killing civilians is never okay (which both sides are doing - see the article, and Hamas are safe in their tunnels and it has become a trope that after killing many civilians Likud people just automatically claim it was Hamas HQ, with no credibility), and neither side has a right to target civilians.
What should Hamas have done instead?
You mean there is no alternative to killing civilians at gunpoint, including children, filming the whole thing and publishing it online? Hamas doesn’t want a two-state solution, and this kind of reaction from Israel is music to their years. It will keep on fueling hate for years to come.
I mean I want you to give an alternative. Name it. What should Hamas have done? Name literally one fucking thing they could do.
Also, the two state “solution” is a mirage and it never actually was on the table. Israel has no interest in that, which is why they’ve been squeezing Gaza to death for years and allowing settlers to steal more land in the West Bank. Get real.
An actual solution is a single multi-ethnic state, from the river to the sea. Settlers don’t get to steal land just because the British partitioned it and gave it to them.
It’s fair to call them terrorists when they attack civilians.
And don’t give me the “what about Israel” bullshit. They can be terrorists, too, it doesn’t make Hamas suddenly freedom fighters for murdering children. A terrorist is a terrorist.
One man’s terrorist yadda yadda. No. These guys fucking suxk. They aren’t fighting for Palestine any more than isis fought for Iraq. Israel’s bullshit certainly explains why hamas has a lot of Palestinian support; they have no other option, but don’t pretend they aren’t terrorists.
Can you be a bit more precise? What makes them terrorists?
From what I understand, rebelling against an oppressor (as a last resort) is a U.N. recognized human right.
Aiming guns at soft targets and slaughtering them makes them, by definition, terrorists.
TBF Hamas is definitely a terrorist organization, especially with the murder of civilians on October 7. They’re fighting Israeli oppression, but calling them not terrorists would be like calling the IRA in the Troubles not terrorists.
This recap of Oct 7 makes it seem like most of the deaths were against police/military. Many of the civilians deaths, especially at the rave, are reportedly from indiscriminate IDF fire.
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/what-really-happened-on-7th-october
If Israel keeps bombing Gaza, they’ll eventually kill all the hostages.
Israel’s “Hannibal Directive” working as intended.
To them it’s a feature and not a bug.
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The hostages might be beside the point. This article from 2014 about a different IDF operation made an interesting point that the Israeli govt conducted a massive operation to “rescue” hostages when it turns out they actually knew all along that they were already dead.
Via @gladflag
The hostages are likely with Hamas in the tunnels under Gaza. The bombings by the Israeli military under the orders of Netanyahu’s Likud are not likely to kill either Hamas or the hostages, but rather they kill civilians and destroy civilian property on the surface. They are deliberate massacres of ordinary Palestinian citizens.
Likud (and its collaborators) and Hamas are the evil forces here - both sides are murdering many civilians for each Hamas / Likud / IDF death.
From the released hostages we know they’re being kept in homes, actually. It’s why so many have already been killed by Israel.
This has moved beyond hostages, Hamas and self defense. We’re in dangerous immoral waters now.
