• WarmApplePieShrek@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    The Nazis were the bad guys. It doesn’t matter how they identified themselves. They were still bad - because they didn’t tolerate Jews, homosexuals, disabled people or Gypsies.

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      1 year ago

      The Nazis stole their eugenics policies directly from the US. What they called “Lebensraum” our ancestors called “manifest destiny”. Their “Rassenschande” was cribbed from our “anti-miscegenation” laws. “Sonderweg” was “American Exceptionalism”. Long before they had the Holocaust, we had the Trail of Tears.

      The people fighting the Nazis were performing many of the same atrocities as the Nazis. We even had our own concentration camps filled with Japanese civilians, interred simply because we deemed them a potential threat.

      We have been the bad guys. We will be the bad guys again. When we were the bad guys, we didn’t call ourselves the bad guys, yet we subscribed to a philosophy that would later become the Paradox of Intolerance and committed uncountable atrocities against “the intolerant”, who we would later determine to have been the good guys.

      If your philosophy leads to atrocity when adopted by your enemy, your philosophy is broken.

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        1 year ago

        I suppose leftists did all of those things.

        You’re trying to convince me that because Nazis killing Jews is bad, Jews killing Nazis is bad too. That won’t work.

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          1 year ago

          No, I am not trying to convince you of anything like that. I am saying that the Nazis were only able to justify their intolerance of the Jews by subscribing to an intolerance paradox.

          I am saying that they were following the exact philosophy that you are promoting.

          I am saying that they could not justify their actions under a “tolerance” policy

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              1 year ago

              The Nazis could justify their intolerance of Jews with anything they wanted.

              That is exactly my point.

              You can justify your intolerance of anyone with anything you want. That’s what the Paradox of Intolerance lets you do. You don’t need any further justification than “I don’t think they like me very much.”.