• TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    1 year ago

    You can’t defeat hamas militarily. They are a terrorist group, they want to be attacked as viciously as possible, because that creates more recruits for them.

    Its been proven time and time again and yet every single time these old fucking cranks do not understand that.

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      1 year ago

      Hey, as long as it distracts Israel from his judicial problems and his role in allowing Hamas to rise, it’s all good for him.

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      It is fascinating to me that no one is asking what outcome Hamas was looking for after these attacks. Is no one concerned that Israel is doing EXACTLY what Hamas must have expected them to do? They almost certainly had a plan and doing exactly what the other side expects means your going along with that plan. Hamas had to have known this is what would happen, so this happening is giving them what they wanted: An Israel that is rapidly losing its international mandate while committing atrocities against civilians on center stage in front of the whole world.

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        Hamas, following in the steps of the 9/11 attack which caused the USA govt to go into violent idiot mode so the rest of the world would despise it. The only winners in the attacks on civilians are Likud and Hamas, who get more powerful against citizens.

      • orrk@lemmy.world
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        so, history has shown that the military stuff doesn’t really work at fighting terrorist insurgents. Ironically, you have to do the “rebuilding” beforehand, and even then you will eventually need to let some of them go.

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            1 year ago

            Worked pretty damn well against Germany and Japan.

            tell me you know nothing of Europe from 1800 to the 60s without telling me you don’t know anything.

            ironically, 400 years of war and destruction never stopped the french-german enmity, but I’m sure it will work in the Middle East!

            as for the second thing, Israel could stop supporting Hamas against the current Palestinian government, but then how will Netanyahu wage war against the brown people?

      • jj4211@lemmy.world
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        While it’s theoretically possible, I don’t think this way could achieve it. Keep in mind that while winning would be a plus for Hamas, the only thing they consider vital is for Israel to suffer.

        The following magical scenario might have worked: -Hamas committed the atrocity, just like they did, so everyone can see they have it coming. -Magically surgically obliterate Hamas to a man without inflicting violence on any non combatants.

        However, Israel is inflicting massive collateral damage, casualties, and blockading. Inciting hatred among a whole generation of people that would be Hamas. Even if you did genocide on the whole area, other people in the surrounding region are likely to take up the Hamas mission in retaliation. An adequately surgical outcome is likely impossible, but it’s probable that Israel could have managed somewhat better than they have.

    • rengoku2@lemm.ee
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      You are enjoying your peace through two fucking world wars. Deal with it.

      Cannot with military my ass.

      • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works
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        1 year ago

        Ah yes, world War 1, where we quickly and efficiently crushed the Bosnian Serb uprising without causing any further problems which is why the Austria-Hungarian empire is still so prevalent today.

        • orrk@lemmy.world
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          Disarming and humbling the central powers worked so well that we didn’t have any second world war afterward

            • orrk@lemmy.world
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              1 year ago

              you know what America and the allies did AFTER ww2? and how that differed from the previous conflicts? (hint, there were MANY Nazis left in Germany)