• sik0fewl@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    I would argue that there’s one thing better than a union.

    It’s everyone being paid fairly and being treated fairly.

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        Well, it could happen, but you will never be able to trust it. Your good boss has a heart attack, someone else takes over, they need to increase profits, and bam. Wages and benefits are cut.

        The underlying problem is an imbalance of power in favour of owners over workers; this is the problem unionisation solves, and it cannot be solved any other way.

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        I’m a printer and I have better pay, benefits and more vacation and sick days than I would in a union shop. There would be zero benefit to me and my coworkers if we unionized.

        Decent employers exist but they are definitely the exception.

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          You probably don’t work for a large company who has a duty to their shareholders. Large companies tend to save any penny they can because it scales up across the company. The workers at the bottom have no way to communicate with their employers too.

          Small business has a shorter hierarchy, where you can go talk to the head of the company. They’re usually private companies that don’t have public shareholders.

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          Talk about completely missing the fucking point Holy shit, and this is why we don’t have unions. They need a collective to work properly and have an effect on the industry you disciding its bad because there isn’t enough backing is the exact problem that causes there to be few decent employers for fucks sake…grow the union and watch its power to work for you grow.

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        Look, I’m probably the exception here, but someone I know works at a company as a manager. He is more than willing to work with the union guys there with anything, but the real problem is that a lot of them get very lazy. Like, not doing their job lazy. And it’s near impossible to get rid of them because the union will spin it some other way. That’s the one real negative to unions, but they’re not the silver bullet to every industry

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          By not doing their job, I know he means that they don’t go above and beyond, or do things that he asks that aren’t in their job description. And why should they? Every manager I’ve ever known to say his workers are lazy, actually means that his employees aren’t rushing around to get things done, and again why should they? Sounds like your buddy is a shit boss who doesn’t like that he can’t abuse his staff

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      Well… yes. The union is a means to an end.

      This is like saying the only thing better than a hammer is a nail to join two blocks of wood. I would hope so.

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        It’s more like saying.

        The only thing better than a hammer and nail is having wood that magically joins together all by itself.

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      Have you been asleep these past few decades? Corporations will never do that. Billionaires don’t become rich by working hard and earning it. It’s from stealing wages and destroying competition.

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      Same with food banks. A world where we don’t need food banks because everyone is cared for already would be magnificent.

      But here we are, in this world.