Historically they didn’t give a fuck about a lot of things until they are searching for reasons to hate someone or a group of people.
Take drag performance… drag is an ANCIENT tradition in Western theater that goes back into Ancient Greece. Name a comedian active in the black and white film era and I will show you a drag performance they made. Laurel and Hardy, the Three Stooges, they all did it, and exactly no one told them it was wrong.
even the services did drag shows, until it became too much associated with trans people.
Don’t make the mistake of assuming the stances they take and the words they use are genuine arguments given in good faith. They will manipulate language and make claims just to achieve their own ends. They don’t care about consistency. There is no goalpost they won’t move. You can’t convince them they are wrong using words.
Going back a ways bigots had a problem with both Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay) and Kareem Abdul Jabbar (Lew Alcindor) but were fine with John Wayne (Marion Morrison).
The name is never the problem, it’s that the person with the name exists that people get so butt hurt about
Its okay to have a different name as long as your conservative.
Just ask Rafael Edward Cruz, famous Texas Magician who disappears everytime things go bad for his constituents.
And it’s not something new or anything like that. There are lots of cultures through history in which people choose their own names or alternate names throughout their life for a variety of reasons.
Popes change their names all the time.
I think the issue is people getting hung up on the gender identity, not the name. I have known lots of people who go by preferred names, whether chosen themselves or given to them by friends as nicknames. Hell, there are a few people I knew for years only by their preferred name/nickname without realizing it wasn’t their given name.
And stage names make a lot of sense from a practical standpoint. Being famous by your given name can make it hard to separate professional life from personal life.
Don’t know if it’s the case in her situation, but there’s also the thing with stage names where Guild rules require names to be unique. Like Michael J. Fox’s middle name is actually Andrew. There was already a Michael Fox on the books so couldn’t use that, Andrew or Andy Fox didn’t feel right, and Michael A. Fox felt presumptuous (Michael, a fox. Fox having recently come into play as a synonym for attractive) or Canadian (Michael Eh? Fox)
This is why in The Simpson you will see David S. Cohen and in Futurama he is David X. Cohen. I think in a Futurama commentary he told about confusion in a guild or royalty payments that made him change how he was credited.
100% agree. If whoopi goldberg had chose their name for gender purposes, i could see them getting hate and being told it’s a stupid reason etc.
JD Vance isn’t a real name, and that’s cool. Apparently.
Ted Cruz is, afaik, not using a pseudonym, but he is a literal Oogie Boogie (see; a writhing mass of bugs wrapped in a pseudo-skin) and nobody seems to have a problem with that either
Edit: I scrolled down and am now aware the Ted is not his name. Shoulda known an boogie boogie would use a pseudonym. SMH my whole head rn
Rafael Edward Cruz, you mean?
Is that the Canadian born guy?
Hey, you leave us out of it. You touched him last; he’s yours now.
Not to defend Ted Cruz, but I have a friend named Ted, short for Edward. It’s not unheard of.
Ted Kennedy as well
Shake my head, or so much hate?
I recently learned a new definition for SMH and now I don’t know if I’m reading it correctly
Shake my head lol. Haven’t seen it used that way before
JD Vance sounds like one of those kids that jumps out of tall grass to challenge you to a Pokémon battle.
His name is James Donald Bowman, and I will deadname him every chance I get.
I feel silly now for not realizing that was a stage name.
I straight up thought her actual name was “Whoopi”.
About every actor or actress you’ve ever heard of is using a stage name. I forget the rules, but the name has to be unique, never used before. Acting guild thing? I forget.
Not really.
The people who have an issue with that, don’t have an issue with Rafael Cruz making up a white name.
They just don’t like people transitioning.
You’re implying transphobia is a common view.
The people who have an issue with that, don’t have an issue with Rafael Cruz making up a white name.
Nobody is mad at Ted for changing his name. Folks are mad at him for pulling the rope up now that his family is here “legally”, then trying to white wash his identity so you don’t question him on it.
You’re implying transphobia is a common view.
It absolutely is. And it used to be a lot worse. Took a lot of people coming out at risk of their lives and livelihoods before we reached even this level of support for transgender civil rights.
You’re implying transphobia is a common view.
It’s not?
Of course not…
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-06/lgbtq-trans-people-american-support-poll
I think you might be confusing our political system for a democratic one…
A minority of the populace voted for what’s happening these days. The majority of people just don’t give a shit, they’re fine with people living how they want.
It’s an important distinction, because the bigots always want the targeted minority to view all of the majority as an enemy.
If battle lines are just “bigots” vs “non bigots” then the bigots lose every fucking time. That’s why they always try to make it “majority” vs “minority”, dont let them do that. And definitely don’t help them do that with posts like OPs and comments like yours
Don’t get outsmarted by stupid fucking bigots. A lot depends on it now.
You seem to be mistaking “majority” and “common”.
OP literally said “everyone”…
You guys ever get the impression nearly everyone on internet message boards is autistic?
And I don’t mean that in a mean way, I mean that literally.
I’ve worked with very low functioning populations before and this shit really tries my patience more than my clients did back in the day…
But yeah man, it’s a spectrum. And when you strip out all the facial/tonal cues and general body language…
Yeah, everyone is going to act like the people who can’t pick up on that stuff. Because none of us can pick up on it on message boards.
Hell, think about the “/s” and how people would react if the majority insisted everyone literally say “I’m done being sarcastic now”.
Obviously you’re going to see parallels in communication issues.
You don’t need everybody to be transphobic for transphobia to be a big problem, and OP certainly didn’t explicitly say that “everybody” is transphobic.
They said “everyone” accepts actors making a fake name, not specifically that everyone is transphobic.
Also, your study there ain’t doing that much to show its not common, as self-report/Social Desirability bias will skew that data but also saying they can live their life how they want doesn’t mean you’re not also transphobic… even ignoring that, at minimum 31% are? To say that isn’t common means you have to interact with fewer than 3 people daily, and that neither of those 2 happen to be transphobic. Sure if you stay at home and the only two people you see every day are the same two who have accepted you, congrats! Transphobia is cured! Otherwise… Yeah 1/3 people means it is EXTREMELY common. Like, to put it in perspective, Asians are like 6% of the population. Yet I wouldn’t exactly call seeing an Asian person “rare”.
Yet I wouldn’t exactly call seeing an Asian person “rare”.
You didn’t need to tell me that you also didn’t know the definition of the word “minority”…
But you did
I… what? Fine since you can’t read anything with numbers less than 50% let me put it to you this way so MAYBE you understand.
Let’s assume you interact with 50 people a day(pretty low I interact with about 200 daily but I’m not gonna assume that’s normal), and let’s say 10 of those are probably friends family so we’ll ignore them. The probability of none of the other 40 being transphobic using your 31% would be (1-.31)^40=0.999999641 which is literally close enough to 100% to be considered a rounding error. Is that common enough for you?
I used Asian people as an example because it was a simple way to construe how low percents still are not rare because how many people we see daily. Using the same calculation there’d be a 91.5838% chance at least one person you see is Asian.
Thirty-one percent of U.S. adults disapprove of transgender and nonbinary adults living their lives as they wish
That sure doesn’t sound like a niche thing
So…
You think 31% is “everyone” like OP said?
Because if you disagree with both of us, it makes no fucking sense to criticize me and not the person who was off by 59%…
I didn’t say everyone had a problem with transgender people, I said everyone was fine with celebrities making up fake names
Often they have to due to SAG rules. Only one person can have a name while being part of the union.
Like Emma Stone. Her real name is Emily Stone, but there was already one working with SAG, so she had to change it. She even prefers Emily.
“Everyone” had nothing to do with my reply. You were saying that transphobia was not common. I quoted the relevant statistic from the survey you linked that implied otherwise.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/645704/slim-majority-adults-say-changing-gender-morally-wrong.aspx
Accepting that people can live as they wish is not the same thing as transphobia not being a common view.
I have an issue with Raphael Cruz making up a white name.
If you know anyone who is anti trans but goes by a nickname, start calling them by their given name. Doug, you’re Douglas. Alex, you’re Alexander or Alexis or whatever. Bill: William. Ted: Rafael (might only apply to one Senator).
I thought Ted was short for Edward.
…and if they go by their full name, Robert, add some extra on,Roberts, or take some off, Ro. Mispronounce their name badly, Lobert. Say their name in another language that they don’t like, Roberto.
It’s not cool to fuck with people’s names. You should be called what you want to be called. Unless they won’t stop doing it to other people in bad taste. Then fuck them, at least until they finally get it.
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this dint start until conservatives,right wing groups started pushing the anti-trans narrative. which was pretty recent, like within 5-10years. nobody gave a poop about it til trumps 1st term. Now everyone is either afraid, or freaks out over names that should be ONE sex or the other, or gendered, plus this also applies to characther names in movies and shows. there was one trek show that made it forced and wierd, like that is making statement.
It is pretty arbitrary which names we consider masculine and which names we consider feminine. On Big Brother Canada, there was a man named Hope. A man named Ashley works as a writer for Marvel Studios.
And we cannot forget one of the best comedy actors of all time, Leslie Neilson
Who also has astonishing range, too. He was a serious actor before Airplane. Since halloween is coming up, watch the 1982 movie Creepshow. There was a short with him in it (it is an anthology) and he very convincingly plays a murderous wealthy Creep.
Ashley used to primarily be a mans name
Ash from Evil Dead is a certified badass.
My wife knows my celebrity man crush is Bruce Campbell
Change your name to make yourself more palatable to a wider audience? Good.
Change your name to make yourself more palatable for yourself? Bad, apparently.
Pen names are ancient, too. Mark Twain? Real name is Samuel Clements. Charles Dickens used the pen name Boz for some reason, and Stephen King used multiple pen names, especially early in his career.
Uh, Boz was the illustrator for Dickens.
I was mistaken. Thank you for your correction.
And still affects no one. People bitching about stuff that has literally nothing to do with them, worrying about everyone else’s genitals.
I think having a cute stage name is something people accept after you’re famous.
I’m gonna come in with maybe an unpopular hot take. I have no problems people being trans or choosing a name that suits your preferred gender, but–perhaps because of the repression earlier in life–it seems there is often an… aggressively creative search for names?
I know about 8 MtF people (0 FtM for some reason?), and they are not picking mainstream names like Mary, Samantha, or Norah for example. Eris, Athena, Cybelle, Malice, and Laika are 5 of the 8 names chosen. It’s not a problem, you pick it and I will use it, but it IS jarring. I’m not making excuses for transphobia because that’s stupid, but it is strange to me to ostensibly want to blend in with everybody else, but then choose a name that obviously marks you out? It’s like the line between choosing a name for your heroine DND character and for yourself is suddenly completely erased and it’s absolutely your right, but as an outsider it’s honestly kinda weird.
I support a parents right to pick names for their kids, but aeslyn and breeleigh and brandaeden are weird names. Same for people who pick their own names regardless of gender identity. If you pick a name that is kinda weird… well it’s kinda weird.
If you pick a name that is kinda weird… well it’s kinda weird.
As a transperson with a weird name; I picked mine because I have never fit in, and instead of causing a desire to fit in, it made angry (but that might be because I am autistic as well, who knows). Choosing an unique name was kind of a middle finger and a final stamp of refusing to conform, if that makes any sense. If I’m not accepted anyway then I sure as hell am going to do whatever the fuck I want with my name and identity
It makes a ton of sense actually.
To make sure the line you quoted is giving you the right impression what I mean to say is if you pick a weird name well then it’s a weird name, not that it’s weird to pick it. You can’t guarantee everyone will like any name you pick no matter who you are, and you sure can’t force them to.
Oh yeah no, I think I get it. I just thought I’d add one perspective to why weird names might be so appealing to transfolks even though it can cause more issues than calling yourself Jean or something
Coming up with a stage name is usually something that agents will tell their clients to do if their name sounds “too ethnic”. Happens when they are auditioning for roles, not when they get famous.
Random fact I heard the other day: Leonardo DiCaprio almost sent out headshots with a stage name at the advice of his agent, but his dad talked him out of it and told him to be proud of his name. I forget what they told him his stage name should be, but it was way more generic and forgettable than his real name.
Dang, we could have had Longboy DiCaprio. Or like Lyman or something.
What a silly argument. The name has to be on the list that you feel is an appropriate name for what ever gender were talking about. I feel you are perpetuating the problem.
So change your name to pupscent IRL?
You or anyone else can change their names to anything you want anytime; however, you can’t force people to like it.
Sure, if you want dream_weasel to like it, you can ask for the approved list. If you want to name yourself General Buttfuckingnaked you absolutely can, but if people don’t like it that’s YOUR problem. It isn’t trans insensitive to be weirded out by you naming yourself Incestte, it’s just a weird fucking name.
I feel like if you’re trying to mandate what people MUST like, you are CAUSING a problem. You can’t force me to say a black belt and brown pants and shoes go together because a trans person picked it, that is still a shitty choice. Names are same deal. Being trans doesn’t mean you are instantly exempt from every form of taste.
And PupScent.
The smell of a puppies breath when it’s still feeding from its mother.
There was a time when women could not wear pants. Men couldn’t have long hair. Bellbottoms,… well, enuf said.
There are always people who have issues with how others talked/behaved/looked etc. In each case I don’t think those people gave a shit if others liked it or not or they would have made a greater effort to be accepted by the masses.
I’m hearing from your posts that it’s important to be liked by others. I personally don’t give a shit if people like me or not. I’m not willing to take on that burden.
You get out of life what you put into it.
That comment is easy to say, but much harder to fully embrace. Life experiences have a way of teaching you this lesson.
I’m not sure what youre basing this allegory on. There’s nobody saying that trans folks (or anyone else) shouldn’t be able to pick whatever name they like. I’m not even saying that people SHOULD like any name and it frankly isn’t that important. It’s not like don’t wear pants or don’t grow long hair. What I AM saying is that if you choose a name that is offbeat and people don’t love it, like (whoopi, sure) that has nothing to do with being trans and having chosen a name that suits your gender identity, but rather with people having preferences about names that you can’t control.
The unspoken premise of the original post, which I disagree with, is that people don’t like some set of names because trans people pick them. Instead, surprised Pikachu, there are names people don’t really like. It’s not trans stigma, it’s filling your candy dish with black jelly beans and candy corn then saying, “people just don’t like my candy because I’m pupscent and they are all backward cynophobes”. If you like those candies then of course eat them, but let’s not call it stigma if other people don’t share your tastes.
They don’t seem to mind that JD Vance has had a bunch of different names.
I would call myself JD too if my parents named me Jerkin Dapenis as well.
“JV Dunce”
Or that he’s referred to a JD.
Tommy Robinson, JK Rowling …give me a bit, I’ll think of more.
