• Kben@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    170
    arrow-down
    18
    ·
    1 year ago

    I feel like im going nuts.We are watching the destructon of a civillian population take place,cheered on by western goverments and media.I just feel sick

    • takeda@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      72
      arrow-down
      11
      ·
      1 year ago

      Is it really cheered?

      Most people only agree that the murders on civilians started by Hamas were absolutely horrible and unnecessary. As for what is coming after I don’t think normal people are happy about either.

    • InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      50
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      1 year ago

      “But they are allowed to defend themselves” says the Western presidents.

      This has nothing to do anymore with defending themselves. This is just another path to their genocide mission.

      • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        8
        ·
        1 year ago

        I’m curious. Put yourself in Israel’s shoes. You’ve been massively attacked by Hamas from Gaza.

        What would you do next? How would you approach this war?

        How would you defend yourself to make sure this never happens again.

        • Ktastic@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          If i try to invade your house and take it for myself, if i make you a second class citizen and subject you to constant violence and dehumanization using disproportionate force, you have every right to shoot me in the face.

          • Ktastic@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            If i lock you in an open air prison and arrogantly hold a huge trance festival dorectly outside the walls of your prison that celebrates peace, love, and happiness, with 0 regard for you as a human being, while you and your family waste away under my opression, I’d deserve to be shot, because thats fucking demented, unnecessary and quite frankly, callous to the point of being soulless.

            • Ktastic@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              If i even once had the nerve to suggest the festival celebrated peace between me and the people who are locked in said prison and cant even attend because their race inst allowed outside of those walls, even if they could afford the expensive as fuck tickets, when they are destitute because of being locked in this prison, than that would make me so fucked up, I wouldn’t blame anyone for shitting on my corpse afterwards.

              • Ktastic@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                1 year ago

                And finally, i can say this no problem because its so fucking easy not to do any of these things, even on my worst days of my life, i have no worries that i might be so stupid to do any of these things even for a second.

    • GBU_28@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      19
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Agree. I can acknowledge Hamas is fucked up, while also acknowledging Israel is using a bigger stick to simply be more fucked up in a more organized way now.

    • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      36
      arrow-down
      21
      ·
      1 year ago

      Both sides are murdering countless innocent civilians. This whole situation is horrible. There are no winners in this war.

      • jonne@infosec.pub
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        34
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        I’m still baffled by what Hamas was thinking this thing would achieve. It’s giving Israel the excuse to completely wipe out Gaza. It’s one thing to destroy the wall and attack a military base, but murdering entire villages was only going to have one outcome. It’s like they wanted the opposite of Palestinian liberation.

        • RubberStuntBaby@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          25
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          They want to go out in “a blaze of glory” rather than fade away. Israel has been clearing them out slowly and nobody is stopping it, but if Hamas provokes Israel into doing it quickly maybe that will generate enough outrage that the world will try to stop it.

          • Pxtl@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            8
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            While Israel has been chipping away at Palestinian land in the West Bank, Palestinian population continues to rise, and rise faster than Israeli population at that. And we don’t see the West Bank doing these kind of attacks, only Gaza.

            https://www.statista.com/chart/20645/palestine-and-israel-population-growth/

            Graph showing rise of Palistinian population

            They ain’t fading away, regardless of Israel’s attacks and oppression. The “blaze of glory” is just terrorism.

        • ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          17
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          My guess is that they wanted to provoke Israel into attacking, hoping that the rest of the nations in the area would use the atrocities as a justification to attack Israel.

          • jonne@infosec.pub
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            13
            ·
            1 year ago

            They must know that the support for Palestinians by neighbouring countries has only been limited to lip service by most Arab countries for decades. They’re all too happy to buy Israeli tech to spy on their own populations, that’s basically the bargain they made to stay in power.

            There’s basically only Iran and Lebanon that are actual “allies”, and that’s basically more Iran using those groups to make things difficult for the US, and not anything that would actually help Palestinians.

        • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          13
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          It makes perfect sense if you read up on the history of the conflict, particularly over the last 30 years.

          Palestine’s reward for trying to find a diplomatic solution has been Western-sanctioned destruction and massacre every single time. We westerners have largely ignored that their land has been taken, hospitals and infrastructure bombed, news reporters and civilians shot in cold blood, and no meaningful repercussions for any of it. They’ve even been blockaded for sixteen years.

          Think of it like a smaller-scale Tet Offensive. It didn’t seem to make a ton of sense for the Vietnamese to launch an offensive against the South Vietnam and their powerful allies either.

          And when you consider how unreasonable it is for 1.1 million people to evacuate in a day, remember also that these people aren’t allowed out in the first place.

        • AceQuorthon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          They’re doing the Hitler strategy of taking everyone on the ship down with them, in the hope that it will inspire extremists elsewhere, and to inspire future generations to do the same because surely they are the victims here. Didn’t work out that way for Germany in the end now did it?

          Also, I’m not saying that Israel is in anyway justified erasing 1.000.000 people off the map. They are also terrible.

        • blackn1ght@feddit.uk
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          This is what I don’t get either. Israel’s reaction is 100% predictable. They knew their attack would result in thousands of their own people getting killed. Did they have an objective that they thought would help improve the lives of Palestinians living in Gaza?

          • Grimy@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            11
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            If Hamas attacks Israel, Israel’s current gov stays in power. If Israel attacks Hamas, Hamas stays in power.

            It’s in the interest of all in power to keep this going. Peace destroys both their political platforms.

    • hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      15
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Yeah there’s one universal truth in war: everyone loses. Maybe it’s their life, their sanity, their resources, or their supporters, but everyone loses.

    • Ech@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      16
      ·
      1 year ago

      Which western governments are cheering it on?