This was from a comment waaaaay down-thread earlier this week, on a post about California Secession (a wedge issue backed by Russia). Thought you’d find it interesting.
Originally Posted By u/Dry_Counter533 At 2025-08-28 07:47:32 PM | Source
This was from a comment waaaaay down-thread earlier this week, on a post about California Secession (a wedge issue backed by Russia). Thought you’d find it interesting.
Originally Posted By u/Dry_Counter533 At 2025-08-28 07:47:32 PM | Source
It’s been all too obvious since I joined Lemmy that Russia’s APT groups are pushing narratives on us. They did a great job dividing the left into “anyone but Trump” and “genocide Joe”. You’ll often see them talk about “leftists” juxtaposed against “liberals”, bit we all know that “the left” and “liberal” are synonyms here. Then they’ll drag you into historical arguments about neoliberalism and blah blah blah to try gaslighting and dragging you down to their level.
They are now trying to get democrats to strike first in a kinetic civil war. It’s my firm belief that Donald Trump is a Russian asset, and sending troops into US cities is a provocation of civil war. The psyops are aligned with his mission.
Up is down, blue is red, liberals are the enemy of the left, no true Scotsman would vote for Kamala, communism will solve all our problems.
They’re doing a good job. Honestly, it’s becoming hard to tell which accounts are the Russians and which are people who have had their ideology fucked by the psyops.
It’s sad that the language has been once again co-opted. I’m not a new account and I’ve stayed very consistent here. I’m not a liberal, but I will absolutely work with liberals right now. Many of the people I love are liberals and they’re in the best position to realize that capitalism is irredeemable. I don’t hate them, but it’s not a synonym.
Lot to unpack here:
This is a mirror of a reddit post, about the traffic to a specific post on reddit. This is not proof of some grand Russian plot to tear apart the couple thousand impotent liberals and leftists here.
Liberals believe that capitalism is the best way to organize society and leftists ( Socialists, anarchists, communists) do not. In most other countries liberals are the centrist party with a socialist party to the left of them. You’re confusing modern american political identities with broader historical labels that you don’t seem to understand because that’s boring history. It’s important to make the distinction because liberals will often ally with fascists against the left in order to maintain bourgeoisie property relations, study twentieth century history to see examples, or just look at how Cuomo is cozying up to trump and the billions of liberal pac money going to him.
The rest of your post seems to be conspiratorial nonsense with no backing besides a reddit post about the traffic to another reddit post. This is like leftists blaming any disagreement or anything that goes wrong on the CIA. This kind of thinking is corrosive and just leads to paranoia, schisms and a lack of self reflection or critique.
Why did we lose the election? No it can’t be our flawed politics it must be Russian psyops. Why is that person disagreeing with me? No it can’t be that they have a different view thay I should consider, it must mean they’re a russian bot.
Given that there are enough tankies willing to work for free because getting to make arguments functionally indistinguishable from fascism while asserting that they’re to the left of all the socdems/shitlibs/ancoms/everyone else jibes well with the damage they have, the GRU can save their budget.
Liberalism and being on the left are two entirely different concepts.
Pick up an econ book sometime.
National lefts are relative and this is an explicitly American politics sub.
What there is is a difference between being a leftist and leftie
Tell that to the Russian psyops
The stats are for a subreddit genius.
Trump may be s Russian asset but the US extreme right and it’s wish for a violent civil war is a homegrown phenomenon. As is American political illiteracy.
It may be homegrown, but it has been fertilized by Russian propaganda bullshit.
You can’t solve your problems if you even refuse to admit them. Russia could go away tomorrow and the US’s course towards fascism would not change.
why is it that most russians are drunks?
State historically holds a monopoly on production and uses it to keep population in check. Also there isn’t much to do in most of Russia. Outside of the big cities, they don’t even have plumbing sometimes. So drinking to pass time it is
Well said. It’s good to see a voice of reason and nuance here.
Wild that the “voice of reason” here leads off the post with something that feels like something that would have only been considered a wild conspiracy theory, even just a few short years ago.
I have a hard time not believing it myself though.
No need for theories. Russia’s influence campaigns are widely documented.
Omfg kill me now. I’m a commie from a socialist family. If today, in the year of our lord 2025, you call me liberal irl I would physically attack you. I rather be a bot.
There are just different people with different perspectives, is it really that hard to accept?
Look, a tankie doing tankie things, like frothing at the mouth about attacking people for confusing you with a liberal. Mate, most people could not tell you the difference between an ML Socialist vs a progressive vs liberal. You’d be surprised how many people that ML Socialists have driven off that likely would have been open to their ideas. With ML socialists it’s either your as left as I am or you’re the enemy to my progress.
It’s funny, you can see direct evidence of how much people don’t even want to have to deal with socialists/communists just based on how much the fediverse blocks them and defederates from them. Stop being assholes. You want people to like you and join your cause? Stop being arrogant, antisocial, elitist pricks.
absolutely correct. nothing has made me hate socialism more than interacting with MLs.
As usual on lemmy, I’m always the one being harassed for having a political opinion different than the “norm”.
I don’t think I’m arrogant or elitist (not in my wildest dream elitist), maybe a bit antisocial ok.
Yes, I like to defend my positions and opinions, we don’t have to agree. Yes, I like to discuss vividly, I was raised to be vocal and never silent, sue me. I like to hear from all the political spectrum (yes all, assholes included), it doesn’t mean I agree with fascists.
I also understand why other “commie” or socialist don’t want to deal with liberals at all, look at how I’ve been treated here just because I said i have a different political belief. There are communities on lemmy dedicated on hating “tankies”, does it sound right to you? Again, I was raised to be intolerant towards intolerants. A little joke and comment is okay, a community dedicated to it seems excessive, it turns people off.
You started off by saying that you would physically attack someone that leans in the same direction as you because “being called a liberal”. Your started this entire thread off in a pretty negative way. Why are you surprised you got pretty negative responses to it?
I wasn’t being mean to you because your a socialist, I was being mean because you were being a general asshole much like every other ML socialist I’ve ever interacted with.
You guys need to remember the Golden Rule. Treat other people the way you want to be treated. You want people to respect you? Then try being nicer and more respectful to others. This isn’t complicated.
I also said “kill me now”, I hope you didn’t send a hit man to my house.
It was an exaggeration to show how much a person on the left dislikes being associated with liberals, especially now, from a lefty himself. It was meant to show how untrue the first assumption was.
You can be aggressive and offensive, it’s okay I don’t care (I kinda like it 👀) but at the very least attack the idea not the person.
Dismissing someone for being a “bot” just ends all kinds of discussion, it’s pointless and stupid. It shows you can’t even debate a clanker.
There is a saying.
If you meet a handful of assholes in a day, you met a handful of assholes.
If everyone you encounter is an asshole, then you are the asshole.
So if you are always being harassed for your political opinion, then it is you who is the problem. Not everyone around you.
Go do some introspection. Or just admit you are being paid by the Russian government.
Absolutely not true. You are being called out for literally threatening to use violence against someone with a different opinion.
A bit?!?
Good. Then do it in a civil way.
Absolutely not true. You are being called out for literally threatening to use violence against someone with a different opinion.
This is why we hate on tankies.
Threatening to attack someone for being called a name in error? Don’t know why people won’t support you.
Oh no, I’m ironically threatening a non existing person in made up scenario 😱😱😱 someone pls stop me!!!
You’re not doing anything if the sort. You’re probably a kid, so I’ll say this kindly.
What your doing, is confusing discourse with being an asshole. That isn’t your fault. Some frat bro authority figure in your life that you looked up to acted that way.
But if you’ve had a point it was long since buried in your toxic responses and facade if bravado.
You will never be taken seriously because you dont value others.
I sincerely hope you have a wonderful day
So not a russian bot anymore? 🤖😿 bip bop
Lol. You’re an idiot. Moron at its best you have no fucking Idea how stupid you just made yourself look you frigging Trumper.
Try that shit on me. You made a fool of yourself and now your doubling down. You and your fucking dumb ass comments can now fuck off.
Case in point. Brand new account.
So all the new accounts are bots? Did you know a big instance called lemm.ee closed recently right? How can we fucking start any new serious conversation like this?
Dude, fuck off back to hexbear. I’m never going to buy your bullshit, lol.
😮💨 ok. Don’t be surprised if people dislike liberals tho, I’m not trying to convince no one of nothing. This is forum, there are people who like to talk and discuss ideas. Have a nice day dude.
fuck off
No, we’re just out here hating tankies like yourself. Go back to hexbear where every sane person has blocked you.