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      I read once that a major reason the coffee is supposed to be good, is that the animals (in the wild) tend to seek out the ripest, healthiest coffee beans to eat. They’re abundant (prior to human intervention), so why settle for less?

      But then we cage them and force-feed them whatever, so they’re just medium (or low) quality beans to start with. So even if you look past the cruelty, it’s not even the quality of coffee the reputation suggests.

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        Iirc correctly the monkey cats ( or however they are called ) actually just prefer a specific coffee plant that is more rarely used as the ones used for the vast amount of coffee in the world ( e.g. robusta or arabica). However, if the beans of this variation are used directly, it tastes exactly the same. There is a scientific paper about this. Long story short: people are drinking shat out coffee for no good reason. What is even worse, it is tried to hold these monkey cats in cages to produce more of this coffee. Again for no good reason. But people fall for the marketing pr gang that the coffee is handpicked by those animals, digested and shat out and they would not go for “yeah we need just to use another plant” because it wouldn’t be so exklusive anymore…

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    Kopi luwak, also known as civet coffee, is a coffee that consists of partially digested coffee cherries, which have been eaten and defecated by the Asian palm civet (Paradoxurus hermaphroditus). The cherries are fermented as they pass through a civet’s intestines, and after being defecated with other fecal matter, they are collected.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_luwak

    It tastes smoother and is good. Their digestion of the beans strips the outer layer of the bean and changes the flavor.

    Is it better? Not really. I have had it in Bali from a farm and it was very smooth. Turkish coffee is better.

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        It’s no more than animal cruelty, then any type of livestock farming. What the fuck do you think you get your bacon from? You think the pigs are happy in overcrowded, dirty farms? Do you think the chickens that lay eggs are happy to be confined inside a tiny cage covered in their own shit? You think cows like to eat feed corn day in and day out shoved full of antibiotics? Do you think any of the animals that we use for any type of products are happy to be slaughtered after being fattened up?

        If you’re gonna argue animal cruelty, you better stop eating all animal products, and become a vegan. Better yet why don’t you farm your own food and don’t buy anything that comes from modern agriculture because all that shit is covered in pesticides, GMO’s, and all kinds of other nasty shit.

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          Do you really think the best way for the world to change is adopting an all or nothing attitude?

          What improves the planet more? 1 person becoming hardcore vegan or 1000 people eating meat one day a week instead of seven?

          See the problem?

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            Not at all. Random8847’s dipshit comment is just so smug and whiney.

            Every bit helps, however the corporations are really the ones we have to force to change.

            If you haven’t noticed having everybody recycle, hasn’t really done shit either. The corporations that pollute really environment cause in the majority of damage yet we’re telling regular every day people it’s their fault and they should do their part.

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              You literally told them that if they’re gonna argue animal cruelty they’d better stop eating all animal products…

              Nobody mentioned corporations until you either, for all we know 8847 might do everything you said in your comment anyway.

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              A four worded comment is smug, whiney and dipshit? Man, something is really wrong with you. Get some help.

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          Wtf dude. You give me all of this for a comment with four words?

          You either have some vested interests with kopi luwak or you have some serious anger issues. Either ways you need to calm your tits down.

          And FYI, all you said might be true but that’s still no reason for anyone to justify kopi luwak. Yes, there are a lot of other ways in which animal cruelty is happening in this world, but if everyone keeps blaming each other then none of it will ever stop.

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          Nah because the animals are fed exclusively coffee berrys and are extremely malnourished

          At least in normal farms it’s encouraged to properly feed the animals

          Also why are you so angry Who hurt you lol

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    Granted I don’t exactly run in the conspicuous consumption crowd, so maybe I’m out of the loop. Cope Luwak was a thing I heard about in the late 90s but have never seen in the world, ever.

    I suppose this is one of those products that has a reputation for being expensive so rich people buy it to flex and that creates some demand. Like gold pizzas or whatever other dumb shit gaudy nouveau riche assholes are doing to get attention.

    I’m sure there are places in the world where you can forage the shits and have something unique, but I highly doubt that what makes its way to fintech bros in manhattan has any real value at all. Just a cruel gimmick.

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    Sometimes I question myself if we are really intelligent beings. Who the hell thought of making coffee out of a monkey’s butt? or whatever that is.

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      My guess is, since they eat coffee cherries, some farmer had his harvest ruined and washed the seeds out from the shit in desperation, just to get told it’s the best coffee somebody has ever had.

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      the story I heard (from an Indonesian dude) was the colonial plantations didn’t allow locals to drink coffee. They noticed the civits only ate the ripest coffee berries… bla bla bla, shit coffee was the only choice and it was really good?

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      The “who made beverage X from Y’s excrement” has been a question for ages.

      to be fair, koalas do it so… maybe the great ancestor we lucked out with were avid koala watchers.

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      I don’t know the history of the photo, but I know some Kopi Luwak ‘producers’ force feed the civets coffee cherries to maximise production. So I can’t say this is a natural shit for a civet, because it could be human induced.

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          Considering how the civets treat coffee cherries, this would be like if some aliens were forcefeeding you glazed donuts for the same purpose. Abuse in many cases, but it started with a natural attraction being exploited. Ethical sources still uses attracted wild civets or cage free farms

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    Man looking at that shit I bet it feels amazing after pinching that out

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    I have a bag of this stuff but I hate coffee and poo so I haven’t tried it.