You are making broad assumptions about the entire country of people which happens to be full of “Canadians” from different cultures.
Almost. I am making broad assumptions about people who positively identify with Canada because these are assumptions that, by identifying with and defending Canada’s legacy, you self-associate yourself with. Obviously Canada is a diverse place. Canada even has anarchist federations! But when you choose to identify with the culture of the oppressor, I can freely use the assumptions, which that culture has spent so much time, money, and blood forcing to be the reality, about you.
You assume anyone who isn’t from a country attacked by the US (Which Canada currently is)
Canada is not being attacked by the US. Yeah they’re tariffing goods coming out of your country and they’re harassing and detained Canadians at the border, but you aren’t being militarily attacked.
does not get a say in the matter, …
No I’m not weighting whether or not you get a say at all, I’m weighting the amount of patience I give people for saying things that are incorrect, bigoted, or wrong in any way. And it’s not strictly being bombed by the US that’s the condition: it’s the person’s material circumstances, what kind of danger they’re in, mental state.
It’s not even remotely unreasonable to be more patient with people who are going through hard times or are in distress.
and include everyone who isn’t Indigenous or “Living in the inner city”. (Racist, as I know who you are referencing here. Note: Many people from different backgrounds live in the “inner city” with many different experiences regardless of cultural origin.)
The wording I used was “even on the reservations or in the inner city” about people who I would have more patience with based on their location and material circumstances. Of course race is a huge part of that! And it’s not racist to acknowledge that! But it’s not the only part. For example, there are some black and brown people raised in suburban areas who are quite well off and adopt similar positions to the capitalist monoculture. For these people, I would have a lower patience compared to black and brown people living in the inner city or out in the country who are statistically more likely to be fighting harder than me against the system to survive. Similarly, there are a minority of white people raised in the inner city for whom I would have a higher patience than white people living in the suburbs, because even though white people have not faced a history of race-based discrimination, some white people continue to experience discrimination for their class, gender, sexuality, sometimes even their ethnicity (example: Irish, Italians, Jews).
Acknowledging the reality that people of different races are treated differently and thus are dealing with different circumstances is not racism! It’s anti-racism! Get with the program!
Furthermore, inner cities in particular are marred by police violence and structural oppression. Some of that oppression is experienced invariantly with respect to race by anyone living in the inner city.
Like I was very clearly referring to people living in these locations, and I wanted to encode the subtlety that living in these locations can actually be to your detriment.
You ignore the fact that I am also from a visible minority group and lump me in with a group you know nothing about knowing nothing about me.
Canadians are not a minority in Canada. I actually don’t know about if you are from any other minority groups. I didn’t really get that far in your profile.
How do you feel about Indigenous Government structures?
No one is free until we’re all free. I am a settler and I’m not an expert on Indigenous governing structures, which is admittedly a blind spot. Otherwise, I defer to Indigenous voices about Indigenous issues. For an Indigenous anarchist perspective, see the “Indigenous Sovereignty” section of the following article for a much more subtle discussion about the topic than I could possibly give right now. Yes, even anarchists have problems with settler colonialism, myself included despite my best efforts.
Alternatively, if you have some reading material about Indigenous sovereignty I’d love to check it out. Anecdotally, I have noticed the rise of a very careful Indigenous Anarchist current since the resistance to the Dakota Access Pipeline gained traction.
Come on. I know a debate lord when I see one. Game recognizes game. The problem with being a debate lord is that there’s always a bigger debate lord than you 😈.
Maybe don’t make jokes
Socialism is when no jokes /s
…under a warning about peoples safety as a person who is partly responsible for aforementioned lack of safety.
Oh my fucking God no I am not partly responsible for the lack of safety that the US government imposes on its citizens. The US GOVERNMENT is causally responsible, and the fault lies with the people who run the system and the capitalists who are responsible for it. The State imposes this reality on me and almost everyone else here. We NEVER had a democracy, even de jure! The United States is a “democratic” republic! And every step of the way, I have expressed my disgust for this evil country and its trajectory!
Please if you take home only one message, it is this: States IMPOSE their will upon the working class.
And again, what I said did not even go against your warning. It didn’t even diminish the engagement your warning got. It probably got a few people more people to read it because there was an actual discussion below it.
And if you thought what I said was insensitive, you could have clearly stated so. But again… this is my reality too, that I’m fucking stuck in this sick fucking hellhole. I feel like I have a right to make jokes at my own expense.
The delivery of information doesn’t change whether it is correct or not.
Right, that’s why I put it in a separate part of the comment separated by a line. But also… that’s not how humans operate? If you want people to listen to you, in general you can’t be a jerk about it. That’s something you’ll learn as you unlearn debate lord habits.
I have not been a jerk to basically everyone who I have interacted with, but I would love to see you waste your time by providing a chart that demonstrates me being an unwarranted jerk to the majority of people over 1.23k comments and 20 posts.
I mean “being a jerk” is an opinion, so it’s not something you can really do reliable mathematics about, i.e. a chart would be equivalent to what I have already given you in text form. A chart actually would have been faster to make, i.e. it would be less of a waste of time.
More precisely: you’ve been being a jerk to people on Lemmy with the account I’m replying to. I don’t think you’re necessarily a jerk anywhere else. This isn’t a personal attack. I’m commenting on your behavior.
This shouldn’t be too hard since you are already balls deep in my account. I expect it by the end of the week or your fired.
Nah I’m not that deep in your profile lol, and I’m not even good at reading people. Just a week or two to get a sense of where you’re coming from.
I also clearly stated why I proceeded the way I did.
I agree to disagree.
You didn’t have to keep going but you did.
Yup. I’m not a debate lord. I’m a debate monster 👹.
I am responsible for my end, and you yours. It is on you just as much as me that we are here.
Hell yeah I’m riding this train wherever it goes 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃. Edit: Actually I’m not gonna respond to any responses to the previous two responses because I’ve made my points and the rational side of me is realizing that this is getting a bit excessive. Not that I can’t, but because I’m seeing myself get back into those debate lord behaviors I loathe so much.
So genuinely: beyond this point, I can agree to disagree with you, I apologize for not dropping it earlier, and have a nice rest of your week.
Honestly, the fact that you are trying to pretend I didn’t tell you my background in an attempt to prove whatever point you are trying to make about me is humourous.
Enjoy the last word, and I highly recommend you educate yourself on my country before ever talking shit again.
Honestly, the fact that you are trying to pretend I didn’t tell you my background in an attempt to prove whatever point you are trying to make about me is humourous.
You told me that you’re Greek-Canadian, right? I genuinely forgot that you told me, sorry. Being Greek didn’t register in my 💩 brain as a visible minority group, but it absolutely is. I was also leaving open the possiblity of belonging to any other minority identities you hadn’t previously talked about without assuming cisheteronormative “defaults”.
whatever point you are trying to make about me is humourous
I wanted to move on with the discussion as if you could have been, but did not definitively tell me, that you were from a group which is a minority in Canada. Which you did and I acknowledge that now, and I simply forgot.
I stand by the rest of what I said. I’m gonna leave it here because this is already verging on unhealthy.
Almost. I am making broad assumptions about people who positively identify with Canada because these are assumptions that, by identifying with and defending Canada’s legacy, you self-associate yourself with. Obviously Canada is a diverse place. Canada even has anarchist federations! But when you choose to identify with the culture of the oppressor, I can freely use the assumptions, which that culture has spent so much time, money, and blood forcing to be the reality, about you.
Canada is not being attacked by the US. Yeah they’re tariffing goods coming out of your country and they’re harassing and detained Canadians at the border, but you aren’t being militarily attacked.
No I’m not weighting whether or not you get a say at all, I’m weighting the amount of patience I give people for saying things that are incorrect, bigoted, or wrong in any way. And it’s not strictly being bombed by the US that’s the condition: it’s the person’s material circumstances, what kind of danger they’re in, mental state.
It’s not even remotely unreasonable to be more patient with people who are going through hard times or are in distress.
The wording I used was “even on the reservations or in the inner city” about people who I would have more patience with based on their location and material circumstances. Of course race is a huge part of that! And it’s not racist to acknowledge that! But it’s not the only part. For example, there are some black and brown people raised in suburban areas who are quite well off and adopt similar positions to the capitalist monoculture. For these people, I would have a lower patience compared to black and brown people living in the inner city or out in the country who are statistically more likely to be fighting harder than me against the system to survive. Similarly, there are a minority of white people raised in the inner city for whom I would have a higher patience than white people living in the suburbs, because even though white people have not faced a history of race-based discrimination, some white people continue to experience discrimination for their class, gender, sexuality, sometimes even their ethnicity (example: Irish, Italians, Jews).
Acknowledging the reality that people of different races are treated differently and thus are dealing with different circumstances is not racism! It’s anti-racism! Get with the program!
Furthermore, inner cities in particular are marred by police violence and structural oppression. Some of that oppression is experienced invariantly with respect to race by anyone living in the inner city.
Like I was very clearly referring to people living in these locations, and I wanted to encode the subtlety that living in these locations can actually be to your detriment.
Canadians are not a minority in Canada. I actually don’t know about if you are from any other minority groups. I didn’t really get that far in your profile.
No one is free until we’re all free. I am a settler and I’m not an expert on Indigenous governing structures, which is admittedly a blind spot. Otherwise, I defer to Indigenous voices about Indigenous issues. For an Indigenous anarchist perspective, see the “Indigenous Sovereignty” section of the following article for a much more subtle discussion about the topic than I could possibly give right now. Yes, even anarchists have problems with settler colonialism, myself included despite my best efforts.
https://journals.uvic.ca/index.php/adcs/article/download/20169/8928/
Alternatively, if you have some reading material about Indigenous sovereignty I’d love to check it out. Anecdotally, I have noticed the rise of a very careful Indigenous Anarchist current since the resistance to the Dakota Access Pipeline gained traction.
(Continued in reply.)
Come on. I know a debate lord when I see one. Game recognizes game. The problem with being a debate lord is that there’s always a bigger debate lord than you 😈.
Socialism is when no jokes /s
Oh my fucking God no I am not partly responsible for the lack of safety that the US government imposes on its citizens. The US GOVERNMENT is causally responsible, and the fault lies with the people who run the system and the capitalists who are responsible for it. The State imposes this reality on me and almost everyone else here. We NEVER had a democracy, even de jure! The United States is a “democratic” republic! And every step of the way, I have expressed my disgust for this evil country and its trajectory!
Please if you take home only one message, it is this: States IMPOSE their will upon the working class.
And again, what I said did not even go against your warning. It didn’t even diminish the engagement your warning got. It probably got a few people more people to read it because there was an actual discussion below it.
And if you thought what I said was insensitive, you could have clearly stated so. But again… this is my reality too, that I’m fucking stuck in this sick fucking hellhole. I feel like I have a right to make jokes at my own expense.
Right, that’s why I put it in a separate part of the comment separated by a line. But also… that’s not how humans operate? If you want people to listen to you, in general you can’t be a jerk about it. That’s something you’ll learn as you unlearn debate lord habits.
I mean “being a jerk” is an opinion, so it’s not something you can really do reliable mathematics about, i.e. a chart would be equivalent to what I have already given you in text form. A chart actually would have been faster to make, i.e. it would be less of a waste of time.
More precisely: you’ve been being a jerk to people on Lemmy with the account I’m replying to. I don’t think you’re necessarily a jerk anywhere else. This isn’t a personal attack. I’m commenting on your behavior.
Nah I’m not that deep in your profile lol, and I’m not even good at reading people. Just a week or two to get a sense of where you’re coming from.
I agree to disagree.
Yup. I’m not a debate lord. I’m a debate monster 👹.
Hell yeah I’m riding this train wherever it goes 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃.Edit: Actually I’m not gonna respond to any responses to the previous two responses because I’ve made my points and the rational side of me is realizing that this is getting a bit excessive. Not that I can’t, but because I’m seeing myself get back into those debate lord behaviors I loathe so much.So genuinely: beyond this point, I can agree to disagree with you, I apologize for not dropping it earlier, and have a nice rest of your week.
Honestly, the fact that you are trying to pretend I didn’t tell you my background in an attempt to prove whatever point you are trying to make about me is humourous.
Enjoy the last word, and I highly recommend you educate yourself on my country before ever talking shit again.
You told me that you’re Greek-Canadian, right? I genuinely forgot that you told me, sorry. Being Greek didn’t register in my 💩 brain as a visible minority group, but it absolutely is. I was also leaving open the possiblity of belonging to any other minority identities you hadn’t previously talked about without assuming cisheteronormative “defaults”.
I wanted to move on with the discussion as if you could have been, but did not definitively tell me, that you were from a group which is a minority in Canada. Which you did and I acknowledge that now, and I simply forgot.
I stand by the rest of what I said. I’m gonna leave it here because this is already verging on unhealthy.