I know this is random. I live in these two countries moving bw them so I wondered.
Mostly I know what people think of each, but I did wonder if there was a difference in opinion here in a more leftist space.
Qatar as the labour exploiting oil nation?
Pakistan the third world country culturally like India with Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists etc?
PS. If you have any question about either, happy to answer.
Qatar as a labor exploiting oil nation, yep.
Pakistan I don’t associate with those things. I mostly associate them as the good guys in the culture war with India that causes Indians to come on to America social media and post the most deranged broken English shit you’ve ever heard about Muslims.
Well then mate, let me just tell you. Pakistan is just as bad as India lol. Two sides of the same coin.
As far as I’ve seen, they’re not matching Modi’s Hitler vibes, but you likely know more than an ignorant outsider. I mostly just hate fascists and see India as incredibly problematic.
Maybe just the power dynamic. India is far more powerful, although they both have nukes.
You could say there is no central figure as modi is in India. Imran Khan was the closest but Pakistani politics is fractured.
Plus the actual political power lies with the military here. So they chose who they want as president. They wanted Khan and they bought him in, he became a threat and they kicked him out.
Right now khan would dominate the public vote but where is he? In prison.
The people here are very culty and rage plus hate fueled. Its less visible bc it’s not that big online.
Infact we keep banning social media sites since literally every government is a religious fascist anyways. Twitter was big here and they banned it. YouTube was banned years ago.
The people in power are genuinely a combination of vile and stupid. The media … just as bad
I agree India is a problem. The culture is rotten to the core. Modi is one of the most disgusting modern figures and yet flies under the radar
wth who’s making those pakistani youtube videos of factories then?
Even the PRC pays people to produce content to upload to YouTube for international optics, and I’m sure it’s easier to get a VPN in Pakistan regardless.
Ahh fuck. 😭
That’s a shame, I didn’t realize how culturally isolated they were. I appreciate the redirection of my black and white analysis to a more nuanced one. I would always research a topic much more if it wasn’t specifically about my general vibes on it.
How do you feel about Qatar’s labor abuses such as confiscating passports?
I see that https://rch.qa/qatar-labor-law-can-your-employer-legally-keep-your-passport/ shows this is now strictly illegal, but also understanding how employer employee power dynamics affects legal systems I’m dubious of real change having happened.
In regards to Qatar: Yeah there is some pressure to end it from up top. And the people are afraid of the qatari government, especially if you don’t hold a qatari passport.
My dad knows the industry VERY well. The issue hasn’t been eradicated. The smaller businesses especially those owned by non qataris (and i won’t get into the business structures required since its beneficial to have a qatari have 51% ownership) are too scared to fuck around and find out, yet they do sometimes.
Bigger companies can do whatever tf they want as is the case everywhere in the world.
When I was in school my school took our teachers passports. Thats when I learnt of this rule. Bizzare. But Qatar treat foreigners, particularly south Asians and Africans as disposable.
‘Westerners’ are valued and seen as human, will be paid 10× what a black or brown person would.
What about the terrorist camps in Pakistan?
As someone who always does critique Pakistan I wanna say Pakistan is a massive victim of terrorism itself.
Whether it was us funded, pak funded or India funded. All are too blame. The same goes for Afghanistan. So many innocent people have died in these wars and issues that were forced upon us, the people.
That can be said for almost every country out there. By your logic we would never be able to blame any country for anything.
Everything that happens within a country’s border is the responsibility of no one else but the country itself. Whether intentional or not, they need to take accountability for it.
I’m not saying 100% of the people there are guilty, it’s just that if not for the country and their government who do we hold responsible?