But doing nothing wrong is the greatest right you can do, no?
I don’t usually participate in communities of my interest, like vegan, communist, anarchist, etc. because I know I don’t agree a 100% and that there will always be people that think are better than others or that have a lot more time to spend on activism than me. But all my friends know I never back down when discussing important topics with anyone, I always tell them that I will take the time to discuss with people they don’t like, like weird conservatives and other uncomfortable groups (which have a big presence where I study).
I usually can recognize when someone is close to being more left-leaning than what they think they are, and I take the time to talk to them about it, which a lot of leftist communities don’t (at least from what I’ve seen). Yes, there are trolls, but usually when talking in person, they aren’t that stupid.
Can we stop attacking each other? They are working the “divide and conquer” from every angle, can we not create yet another division within a group of people that agree with each other?
Democrats and liberals are doing the dividing themselves every time they attack people further left of them for daring to actually have principles.
So no, you can’t stop.
Great now we get to argue what nothing and something is…
Well put.
I believe it’s actually the opposite. So many extremists or “I don’t agree with you therefore you’re a troll” bullshit.
You get censored and banned for pretty much anything. Lemmy is no exception and pretty obviously like that.
You get censored and banned for pretty much anything. Lemmy is no exception and pretty obviously like that.
Seeing as I have not been banned for anything I have to disagree.
It really depends on the community and the mods awake at the time.
One of my accounts got a week ban from a larger community for being “accusatory”. Because I said someone sounded like they were spreading misinformation.
Depends on the things you say, where…
If you’re generally leftist, you should mostly be fine.
Otherwise you get banned for trolling (because ofc they’re right so you’re trolling) or transphobia, because if you don’t agree with everything a trans person says, you’re transphobic. Also, the world belongs to them.
Talk about lesser known subjects by the public or make a mistake yourself? Thats it, you’re banned for misinformation and trolling. Or being a nazi or racist or whatever. The words don’t have a meaning anymore
Also the random ban reasons like “Rule 3” which refers to the most open and subjective rules like “Be civil” or “Dont be a dick” or similar
All I did was misgender Kris by calling them a “xir”.
They were arguing over gender, and I was feeling like being contrarian…
Sounds like a lot of generalizing. Probably deserved your ban to be honest.
Oh and also the double standards
You can hope for Musk and Trump or any rich fuck to die, but do this with someone else and you’re banned
I would even go as far as to argue Lemmy is a prime example of this.
And that why federation is good, but it gets annoying having to switch instances or communities
Just like my recent post on r/politics got censored?
I don’t know, I’m not on reddit. And by definition if it’s removed I can’t see it.
Well, I didn’t see it
the other problem with leftist spaces online is a general intolerance to trolls
Or rather the “I don’t agree with you therefore you’re a troll”
The ONLY time I’ve been muted by anyone was on the Fediverse 😅 (Still can’t wrap my head around how petty the argument was…)
And it’s even worse when that person is an instance admin or community mod of a pretty big place
And sometimes those people will even destroy active progress because it doesn’t meet their definition of perfect.
Online leftists will destroy something because it’s not 100% of what they want, disregarding the 50-60% that would be what they want.
I think you mean Collectivists in general
I think this “do nothing wrong” tendency has something to do with intragroup power dynamics. I’ve often seen it used as a cudgel to knock down others within a group and stop mild dissent even though everyone is on the same team. Usually the most prolific wielder of the “do nothing wrong” cudgel rises to a position of some authority in the group, after which the group fragments because the person is insufferable but unassailable due to their moral superiority.
So…You are saying that mods are, in actual fact , not based ?
HERESY
Very good take.
I complained to a partner once about something they’d done that seemed vaguely unethical (by my understanding of their ethics). After they apologised, I was still upset, and they said “maybe I’m a little bit shit, just like everyone else.”
That really stuck with me. People (including myself) are often OK with accepting imperfections in other people in some spaces, but not in others. It’s pretty weird… Life is messy, even the bits that seems straightforward. And no one has a perfect understanding of any situation…
“For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property. To one he gave five talents*, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money. Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
–Matthew 25:14-30
- A talent was a monetary unit worth about twenty years’ wages for a laborer
The point of that chapter is that you should use the talent that God has given you to improve your talent.
It’s not that you should pay back your employer double his investment.
Alternate take: Billionaires are entitled and get grumpy when they get back exactly what they gave.
Imagine if the servant had invested the talent and failed to produce a profit. How angry would the billionaire have been? The servant took no risk, and protected the billionaire’s money. And instead of being happy that their money was protected, they got angry that the servant didn’t go out of their way to make the billionaire more.
Okay this is really good but I don’t see how it links with this thread, kindly explain sir
If you have opportunity to do good you have a moral obligation to seize it. Fear of getting it wrong is not an excuse to do nothing.
That’s Right with a hard R. No thanks
The only thing more important than “do nothing wrong” is to loudly correct those who are doing “almost right” and “in the right direction.”
I think it’s a tossup between “loudly correct” and “vilify as a disappointing libshit.”
Go away troll bait bot.
