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Yea. There is “having personal tastes” but a lot of these comments are just straight up judgmental of other people’s choices of personal expression and using this post as an excuse to espouse some pretty harmful rhetoric.
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I inherently detest the concept of a “beauty standard”. Something so subjective to each individual experience as “beauty” shouldn’t have a standard, and a mentality or social culture that tries to establish or reinforce them is something I believe to be highly problematic.
Like in this very post, all the people who are admonishing body modification (injections, implants, piercings, tattoos, etc…). That has been a thing humans have done since ancient times. It is just a form of personal expression, there is nothing inherently wrong with the practice itself. It is the social expectations that makes those things appear uncomfortable at first glance instead of just a different but equally valid form of personal expression. A lot of the comments around them are very judgmental of the assumed reasons behind doing it, though, and it is because of societal “beauty standards” that people behave and think this way.
I don’t like big boobs almost ever.
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Mowed lawns. Just let it grow, it’s easier and healthier.
This is literal and an innuendo.
Most of them, but by far makeup.
If someone enjoys it and wants to, I don’t judge.
But I seriously never saw a person who looks better with makeup. Even light makeup ( which can look good) still looks worse than just natural.
Also there is this vicious cycle where heavy makeup users have worse skin and more pimples so they feel pressure to but heavier makeup, which in turn worsens the skin condition.
People, be happy, love yourself, you are pretty for who you are.
Overly full lips. There’s a bandwidth there where it should fit the rest of the facial features. Filling them up with collagen just almost never looks good.
Rarely even a little bit looks good. You can just tell immediately.
Personally, I’d extend it to the entirety of the bimbo look. Why the fuck would anyone want to look like a cheap sex doll!? (ok well I can kinda’ understand it as a fetish thing, but when ever parts of that look extend to “beauty” like huge lips… ugggh)
I’ve always disliked plastic surgery, botox and heavy makeup. But that’s normal enough
My real hot take is I am disgusted by long, fake nails. They make my skin crawl. They’re so cumbersome, I truly don’t understand how people love with them
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I truly don’t understand how people love with them
Very carefully.
Yes to all of these.
You and me on both counts dude, fuuuuuu—
So disgusting. And it looks sooo fake, like they don’t even make an effort to look real. They are thick as a bear claw bruh, looks like some fungus growing under them talons, Jesus. Get that nasty shit out of here.
Same on both of those!
Absolutely yes to the nails. Those are disguising and very impractical
welcome to the evening news, man creates thread so he can bitch about Black women. more at 5 when he phones back in to say how he’s entitled to his opinion.
Truly ironic people are trying to say you’re the racist for calling someone else out for espousing racist rhetoric.
wow holy racist batman
The racist is the one bitching about long nails, a predominant standard of beauty in black culture, and how much it makes them uncomfortable.
Like, no one needs to hear your judgement of someone else’s choice of personal expression. Ever heard the phrase “ain’t got nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all”? This is where that applies.
Long nails are a thing with women of all races. I wouldn’t call it predominantly black. I’d call it predominantly tacky.
Go outside and get a life. How can you be so miserable.
I don’t get why people try to hide freckles. They’re so unique!
Tabs over spaces, always
… wait, you’re asking in asklemmy, not programming…
Uhhh… that thing where people glue little strands of hair to their forehead in an arc
Tabs were literally designed for indenting, as far as I can tell.
Not really, surprisingly. The “tab” terminology is a hangover from the typewriter days, when pressing the tab key would move your carriage to the left (i.e. sending the typing position towards the right) to the point where the tab stop was, which may or may not have been user configurable depending on the age or fanciness level of your typewriter. On mechanical models this involved sliding a little arrowhead shaped mechanical dingus up at the top over the carriage, a skeuomorph that’s still present in basically every computer word processing application even today.
This was to allow operators to easily write tabular data, i.e. tables or columns, which would be inset from the left margin by a consistent amount, and typically much further inboard than the indent at the beginning of a paragraph would be. The latter was usually accomplished with a small number of spaces instead. And this is why the key is called “tab” and not “ind” or something.
This got carried over to word processors and then to computers kind of by default. But interestingly (if you’re the right kind of nerd to be interested by that sort of thing, anyway) early 8 bit microcomputers that were not envisaged with word processing or a typewriter-esque paradigm in mind conspicuously lacked a tab key. The Commodore 64 and Vic 20, TI-99, Acorn Electron, and certainly the ZX Spectrum all leap to mind.
But the original IBM PC definitely had a tab key, which was almost certainly carried directly over from IBM’s Selectric typewriters. So we’ve had it ever since. The notion of there being a “tab character” of some greater-than-space width lent it to being used for first line indents for a while, but the prominence of HTML and its dogged insistence on collapsing whitespace – especially at the beginning of lines – eventually put a stop to that and caused practically everybody to switch to double line breaks to separate paragraphs instead. Except for writing code, which can involve a whole bunch of indentation to many, many levels of depth.
Indenting the starts of paragraphs was an even older hangover from printing presses, and that’s another whole damn rabbit hole anyway.
Uhhh… that thing where people glue little strands of hair to their forehead in an arc
Do you mean styling baby hairs?
Yes! Thats it!
Thanks i hate it
I also hate those.
She got six eyebrows and a widows peak!
I read an article / listened to a podcast where a visually impaired person said that tabs are much better because they can configure how wide they are rendered to better accommodate them and now In would prefer to use tabs. Still all customers i have seem to use only spaces.
I am more into spaces, but as long as the indentation is done consistently i can tolerate tabs.
I mean, how could using tabs not be consistent when only comparing to spaces? Seems to me like spaces give infinitely more opportunity to fuck up indentation.
Lip injections make me think of those wax lips they used to give out for Halloween
Thanks. I’ve been wondering what Marilyn Manson has been up to lately.
Not everyone is beautiful. Most people are average and many are not attractive.
Obesity is not beautiful. It is unhealthy and honestly delusional.
Edit: Most people are thinking of this when mentioning obesity.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=real+obese+people+&t=h_&iar=images
Not this.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=heavy+rugby+players&t=fpas&iar=images
Complaining about the BMI scale is a disservice to those who truly need to lose weight for their health.
Obesity is not beautiful. It is unhealthy
I’d even go so far as to say obesity is unattractive, because it’s unhealthy.
Healthy is of course beautiful.
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There’s an implied “[what looks] healthy is beautiful”…
We… obviously can’t peer into people’s cells while we’re walking around town and people browsing… I didn’t think I had to clarify this. 😄
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People speculate that this is one of the reasons why those most opposed to weight loss medications like Ozempic are, in fact, fit people. In a world where most people around you are obese or unhealthy, being fit becomes a way to signal discipline, long-term planning, a healthy lifestyle, competence, and so on. But now that you can get lean without putting in the effort, it dilutes that signal.
being fit becomes a way to signal discipline, long-term planning, a healthy lifestyle, competence, and so on.
Yeah but I think it’ll just be a more explicit marker of wealth instead, sort of how so much of fashion boils down to “how much are you willing to spend?”
Really? I’ve never heard that sentiment from any of my other fit friends and I certainly don’t feel that way. I would love it if everyone was just hot.
I’ve never heard that about Ozempic or had those thoughts about weight loss medications.
The only thing I’ve ever thought about weight loss medication is “that’s probably snake oil” or “that doesn’t sound healthy for the body”.
Considering how much of human effort is just signaling in different forms, this makes a lot of sense. Losing a visual marker of your hard work messes with your established signaling. This makes me wonder what the new signal will be? Fitness clothing has already been taken… Maybe people will wear their gym memberships on a lanyard all the time or something?
Well, Ozempic will make you lean, but it won’t make you fit or muscular - so there’s still that. In that sense, it might be more accurate to say that the people opposing it are likely those who’ve gotten lean through dieting and occasional exercise, rather than bodybuilders.
That’s a good point, I was lumping too many people together there. Yes, now how will people show they “suffered” with dieting?
Same with being underweight. It is also not healthy or beautiful.
Average is plenty beautiful, though. At least in countries where ‘average’ doesn’t mean ‘severely over- or underweight’.
The whole fat acceptance movement is honestly gross AF.
I don’t care how happy you are about it. This shit is not healthy and we shouldn’t be promoting it.
Says fat people promote unhealthy lifestyles. Gif: An obese chick getting exercise while playing an instrument that takes considerable muscle control and a high lung capacity.
Damn. Lot of people really hate fat folks. I’m just saying you want to prove fat people are unhealthy— a woman in a career that takes a high level of stamina and discipline isn’t a great example.
Yeah that’s a terrible example of an unhealthy fat person, she is an outlier for sure, was so overweight and could run and sing at the same time! I’m sure it’s harder on your joints and all but if someone can out-dance you, while singing loud, she is in better cardiovascular shape than you.
who is considered “obese” is often determined by the BMI which is a flawed scale to determine health and wellness, you can read about it here: https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/why-you-shouldnt-rely-on-bmi-alone
Absolutely there is such thing as unhealthily fat and weight being a detriment to your health, but there are 100% people who are, by modern beauty standards, “fat” and still very active and healthy by all measured metrics. Body types are different and some people will be more stocky than others, and I think that’s what the “fat acceptance” movement is really about
Yes, but actually no. I’ll not discuss taste because that’s very personal, but while as a general rule obesity is unhealthy and most obese people should change their habits, the way we define obesity is with BMI, which is extremely inaccurate for very short or very tall people, not to mention bone and muscle density is different for different people, I have always (since at least 13 YO) have been in the obese category, even when I was training daily and could run a few kilometers at around 5 min per km I was obese, even though I looked only slightly overweight, the reason is because I have dense bones and at the time had lots of muscles (which are lots denser than fat). So while there’s a strong correlation between being obese and being unhealthy one should be very careful not to mix the two and assume a 100% correlation or causation effect.
I hate BMI. I am working on losing weight, but I am gaining muscle at the same rate I’m losing fat, so my weight has hardly changed. None of my clothes fit anymore and I am much slimmer, but still considered obese. I’m not even weighing myself regularly at this point. I’m just going by how I look and feel and my clothes size.
Yup, don’t bother too much with BMI, like I said, I’ve been obese all my life, even when I was in better shape than almost anyone I knew and was training and beating people that looked a lot better than me.
If you want to show just how absurd it is, look at the world strongest man, his BMI is 40.7 which puts him as an obese type 3, even now that I’m in the worst shape of my life I’m not in that category.
Holy shit that’s wild. Is BMI good for anything, then? Or does it need abandoned?
BMI misses more often in the other direction (skinny-fat), being fit and obese is much less common.
It’s my understanding that the only proven health metric with regard to size is waist to height. Your waist measurement less than half your height? Then you don’t have too much abdominal fat, and it’s the abdominal fat that is a bigger risk to your health.
It’s a general guideline that’s accurate for average people that live average lives, but if you’re too tall, too short, too muscled, have lower or higher bone density, etc it can be very inaccurate. No doctor takes any action on this alone, but it can be a guideline to ask you for blood works or other studies to ensure things are okay. There are better ways to measure body fat percentage, but that requires special instruments and also are usually dependent on where your body stores fat, so you might not have ever done them before.
Hard agree. I am so willing to die on this hill.
My brother is obese and also one of the fittest people I know. He can walk miles without breaking a sweat, no high blood pressure, no high cholesterol, heart is doing fine, no arthritis, etc. ad nauseum. He’s fat because he eats a lot, but everything he eats is home cooked with plenty of veg and little meat. He just loves cooking.
My doc said the other day she prefers it when her patients are heavier, because when people get very sick, it’s the “healthy” thin ones who die first in the ICU purely because they don’t have any fat to spare.
As to your second point, I have a personal hypothesis that cancer is the reason for the middle-aged gut. Hell, guess it could be disease in general. Anyway, with a few extra pounds you have more time to fight.
I like how the standard has fractured and there isn’t really a standard now, but I do also kind of like the obviously fake bodies being the standard because an insistence on natural beauty is more oppressive than the idea of beauty as something you do, an art or achievement, even a purchase.
If beauty like that is something you choose, I am free to choose it or not. If it’s just by luck of birth, that sucks so bad. When I was a gawky tall stick insect of a teenager and the only girls considered pretty were the short and stacked, there was no way to meet that standard.
Later the tide shifted but as I didn’t grow up feeling my body could ever be mainstream sexy, I didn’t get attached to that - I do have hangups but they are my own. I just try to stay in shape, have good hair, take care of my skin and let the rest be.
But I think my unpopular opinion is beauty as something you do - makeup, style, fitness, is more democratic than insistence on symmetry of features or a particular height or build, the idea of “natural beauty” is worse. Beauty should be a choice, a hobby, a project, do or not.
In terms of what I do not currently understand, it’s the moustaches. Young men with weedy little moustaches, straight men with moustaches that scream gay to me, the unopposed highway patrol/1980s gay man moustache I can’t wait for that trend to pass.
Ultra low body fat, e.g. high fashion models, bodybuilders. You don’t see it that much in real life, but it’s pretty heavily promoted in media. Plus the dehydration thing for bodybuilders, I hate that ‘saran wrap’ look.
This is the worst. So damaging to the overall health of everyone.
Yeah, and especially mental health. Not many people are really going to go that far (it’s a LOT of effort), but it’s so unattainable that even fit people often don’t feel good about themselves. Especially if you add all the makeup and doctored photos.
How dehydrated does a person have to be before they start absorbing water through the skin?
I’m going to guess literally dead. Human skin isn’t very permeable, by design.
Filler and injections.
When they’re done badly, it’s very noticeable and terrible. When they aren’t done, it’s fine. Not everybody is looking for curves and puffy lips. Presumably, there’s a bunch of successful injections you never notice, but on the balance that’s not a very good record.
My favorite people, and probably yours too are not 10/10 hotties. The people I want to spend time with are funny and kind.
Chasing ‘beauty standards’, I feel, is a waste of your human potential. That time can be better used building friendships and community. Isn’t that what most people really want?
If people focused their time there instead, maybe they would feel more accepted, confident and worthy instead of trying to shortcut their way to perceived success by altering their bodies. I find it sad that the digital age has pushed humanity so deeply in to ‘comparative society’.
Confidence is the hottest most attractive thing to me in the end.
It can go too far in the opposite direction, though. I was raised in an environment where men doing literally anything besides showering a bit was gay.
Arguably, being muscular is a male beauty standard. I would very much prefer it if men had more freedom of expression, though.
