• JasSmith@sh.itjust.works
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    19 hours ago

    I don’t think framing their issues in terms of women’s issues is helpful. “But what about men” is just as unhelpful when dealing with issues for women. Feminism did great things to advance the interests of women, and it required coordination and struggle over many decades against a system which wasn’t receptive to their needs. Now, each year, the U.S. spends close to $8B on women’s initiatives spanning many areas from healthcare to education. If you’re suggesting men need their own movement, perhaps you’re right. Perhaps what we’re seeing is the early formation of that. Messy, uncoordinated, and immature, as are all early movements.

    In the mean time, I don’t think “be better” is a resonant message. It was rightly dismissed when people said it to women in the 1960s and it should be dismissed now. These issues are structural and require structural solutions. I think a big part of this is economic. Men are taught from a young age (by men and women) that unless they make a lot of money, they’re worthless. Society is offering fewer and fewer opportunities for men in traditionally blue collar industries to thrive. If we offer few opportunities and call them worthless for not succeeding, this is a recipe for societal instability.

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      The only kind of social “movement” men need is the collective banning of manosphere content. That’s what’s brainwashing these young boys. The rest are symptoms of a failing capitalist economy.

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        19 hours ago

        Telling people what not to do is far less effective than giving them positive and aspirational advice. Jordan Peterson literally told boys to clean their room and he became outrageously popular overnight. How sick is our culture when boys are so starved for wholesome masculine guidance that they’ll cling to the first man who gives them healthy paternal advice like “clean your room”? Something people on the left in particular do not understand about this issue is that telling boys to be more like girls doesn’t work. They need to be told it’s normal and healthy to be aggressive and competitive and physical, as long as it’s done in a way which doesn’t hurt people. Masculinity isn’t evil. Anyone who calls it “toxic” should be admonished and derided. We need Aragorn like figures in the real world to show boys what healthy masculinity looks like.