I like to think humans will go back to interacting with each other in person thanks to AI destroying the internet
Photorealistic porns? What’s your problem, man? You have realistic AI and this is all you’ll have? Just order a silicon doll and put an AI chip into it! Free
sex-slawife!Reputation and PGP signatures could be used to verify real human made content. That is, of course, if people actually care, which I think will be rare.
There might be no-ai communities, that require this and are closed down to avoid being scraped for ai training.
Edit: Also AI is already enshittifiying itself, which might get worse if it becomes more widespread than it already is.
I like webghost0101’s Idea:
[…] a blockchain linked video camera where metadata of footage gets written into the chain to combat fake news and misinformation.
The goal would be to create a proof and record of original footage, to which media publishers and people who share can link towards to verify authenticity/author.
If the media later gets manipulated or reframed you would be able to verify this by comparing it to the original record.
blockchain is a totally useless extra bit glued on there. All the real evidence will be the cryptographic signatures added by the hardware manufacturer (which can be faked, but requires extracting the keys from the “security chip” in the camera which may be very difficult)
all the blockchain does at that point is provide a timestamp of “signed hash of the picture+metadata was uploaded on x date” which can easily be done without blockchain too
Why couldn’t AI use PGP signatures that suggest they’re human?
Its not about “just having a signature”. Its about a web of trust. It only works if you verify if the key belongs to a creator that is actually a person.
Basically creators go to a convention and hand out their public key in person and have other creators sign their key. If you trust creator A is real and they signed the key of creator B, you can have some trust B is also real. And if your buddy went to the convention, met A and B, got their public keys and tells you they are real you can also trust they are real. The more steps/signatures you are away from a creator the less trustworthy they are and nothing really ensures a (human) creator doesn’t use AI secretly. If somebody is found to be a fraud everyone has to distrust their key.
Trust is the most important part. You trust someone they made something themselves. They digitally sign their work with a public key that is known to be theirs. You can now verify they (the person you trust) made it.
Once the trusted creator’s key is leaked, they are no longer trusted for future works.
AI made content can be freely signed as well, but if you don’t trust the origin, the signature doesn’t matter anyway since it will just verify it is coming from the AI creator.
The key thing is trust, the signature is just there to verify.
Time to get up and go outside :)
Read classics:
Pride and Prejudice" by Jane Austen, “Moby Dick” by Herman Melville, “The Great Gatsby” by F. Scott Fitzgerald, and “1984” by George Orwell.
Start here. There are thousands.
Why start there with British and US authors? Why not 100 years of solitude, Disgrace, and dream of red mansions?
Because that was what he came up with. It’s fine to start with. Your selection is fine too to start with.
Not gonna double my response - OP deserved it more - I will say another ‘fair enough’, give you an upvote, and leave it at that
For the same reason your user name is not buendiablo?
I guess we can all suffer a little eurocentrism from time to time? But yes — enrich the list with international voices! One of my favorite novels is THE PONDS OF WAGABA by Elichi Amadi… a little known gem any fan of George Eliot would love.
Good response, happy with that. Sorry about the implications, I think I just found it a fusty conservative choice. Had it been Infinite Jest and Chaucer I probably wouldn’t have bothered responding. Sometimes the idea of ‘classics’ can seem… narrow and dull. Just wanted to mitigate the notion it was all brown bread (not that I don’t love your suggestions tho’)
in the futuer we will b fighting the terminators, shotgfun jhon connor
Simetimes I think the future will resemble the pre-internet era. AI content will be so easy to create that the zone will be flooded with shit, and only a few reputable sources will be trusted, like when there were only a few TV news channels.
That porn had to be trained on real people’s bodies who will never see a penny of it. That’s laundered revenge porn.
Video evidence is relatively easy to fix, you just need camera ICs to cryptographically sign their outputs. If the image/video is tampered with (or even re-encoded) the signature won’t match. As the private key is (hopefully!) stored securely in the hardware IC taking the photo/video, any generated images or videos can’t be signed by such a private key.
Wouldn’t this be as easy to break as to point a camera at a screen playing whatever you want?
Perhaps not with light field cameras. But then you could probably tamper with the hardware somehow.
getting the picture to perfectly replicate the image on the screen without it being noticeable that it’s just a picture of a screen would be so difficult it would probably be easier to modify the camera instead
So whatever way the camera output is being signed, what’s stopping you from signing an altered video with a similar private key and then saying “you can all trust that my video is real because I have the private key for it.”
The doubters will have to concede that the video did indeed come from you because it pairs with your key, but why would anyone trust that the key came from the camera step instead of coming from the editing step?
Mate, digital cinema uses this encryption /decryption method for KDMs.
The keys are tied into multiple physical hardware ids, many of which (such as player/.projector ) are also married cryptographically. Any deviation along a massive chain and you get no content.
Those playback keys are produced from DKDMs that are insanely tightly controlled. The DKDM production itself even more so.
And that’s just to play a movie. This is proven tech, decades old. You’re not gonna break it with premiere.
But how would one simple member of the audience easily determine if this whole chain of events is valid, when they don’t even get how it works or what to look out for?
You’d have to have a public key of trusted sources that people automatically check with their browser, but all the steps in between need to be trusted too. I can imagine it is too much of a hassle for most.
But then again, that has always been the case for most.
This is just standard public key cryptography, we already do this for website certificates. Your browser puts a little lock icon next to the URL if it’s legit, or provides you with a big, full-page warning if something’s wrong with the cert.
…what audience?
This is for restricting use, not proving authenticity of the videos recording. Anyone can spin up keys and sign videos, so in a legal battle it would be worthless.
The technology would be extremely easy to adapt, with the certs being tied to the original recording equipment hardware. Given i don’t see a $60 ip cam having a dolphin board it would probably be relegated to much higer end equipment, but any modification with a new key would break the chain of veracity
This is blatantly not true, it would be extremely simple to circumvent. How do you “tie” the cert to a specific hardware without trusting manufacturers? You just can’t, it’s like putting a padlock on a pizzabox.
I literally explained earlier how this exact technology is used in digital cinema dude c’mon.
That doesn’t mean it’s useful for forensics, IMO.
Edit: not saying it wont be though, just that it’s not as bullet proof as you’d think, IMO.
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You can enter the camera as evidence, and prove that it has been used for other footage. Each camera should have a unique key to be effective.
So if you create a new key, it won’t match the one on am existing camera. If you steal the key, then once that’s discovered, the camera should generate a new one.
But if you don’t actually check the physical camera and prove that key for yourself, then it can easily be faked by generating a key that is not coming from the camera and is used for the “proof” video and the fake video.
Any self-respecting judge would check, and hopefully most journalists would keep records of these things to prove where the footage came from.
You, the end user, don’t have access to your camera’s private key. Only the camera IC does. When your phone / SD card first receives the image/video it’s already been signed by the hardware.
Actually, polls show that most people are not fond of AI-generated content and want it to be labelled or don’t want it at all.
As for generating your own entertainment at home, see interactive movies. They did not take off because people don’t want to be “working” for their entertainment. That’s their time to relax and not make decisions.
All in all, we’re not as careless as it may seem.
A fb group i moderate recently had an AI jammed up it. I ran a poll to keep or disable. “Get rid of it” got more votes than the option “Put a gimp mask on it and whore it out for grapefruit”
Not to mention those interactive movies from the early 90s games that also didn’t take off because they were sorely lacking in the game department
I’d be very interested in these polls if you have some to link!
I wonder if personal websites with links to each other, like in the olden days, will start growing in popularity again because of how trust is slowly eroded for anything not in your direct control, and search engines becoming more and more useless 🤔
But, but, how will we monetize it? How!?
/s
I long for the early 2k internet. So much potential positivity for humanity.
Gotta spin me up a Neocities page…
Same here! This will be the way for me.
I think this vastly overestimates the average person’s ability to recognise or even care to recognise what is AI and what is not.
You’ve got all those videos on Facebook which are BLATANTLY AI and the comment section is split between “wow, amazing!” and “it’s AI you fucking morons”
The latter will eventually leave the platform and the former will be all that’s left.
You never know how many of those comments now aren’t bits and ai also. The malleable human mind sees “people” expressing opinions and wants to take a side, have an opinion. How convenient that all the options, all the feelings and responses you should have, are already laid out for you. Just “Like and Subscribe” to the persons whose opinions most align to your own.
Then people jack of to manga (and more) knowing it is not real, and sees through the computer generated images in star treck but still love it. I think you underestimate how malleable the human mind is when we want to!
Hentai has a story though. The characters have experiences and respond to them. There is a continuity to it. It wouldn’t be nearly as popular if it was just random variations on a theme for every image. That’s super fucking boring. It’s not about how real or true the images are, it’s about how good the story is at making us feel horny. AI gen slop can’t even tell a coherent story at all.
Then new people will grow up in an environment where its only the wow amazing people and they never hear from the its ai you moron people.
We’re a dying breed. There are people alive today who will never know anything other than the post truth world.
Interesting times.
Scary times
And it is not going to take 10 years. It is right around the corner.
For us older ones, 10 years seems to be right around the corner too :-/
in fact, this green text was made purely from asking chatgpt what ai will look like in 10 years
Unironically the best greentext I ever read was the bottomless pit one written by AI
That was like 3 years ago when generative AI was fun and whimsical
The first ai green texts made me laugh so much. They managed to perfectly capture the essence of a green text but because they were dumb they would create the most weird situations.
The last time I had fun with LLMs was back when GPT2 was cutting-edge, I fine-tuned GPT2-Medium on Twitch chat logs and it alternates between emote spam, complete incoherence, blatantly unhinged comments, and suspiciously normal ones. The bot is still in use as a toy, specifically because it’s deranged and unpredictable. It’s like a kaleidoscope for the slice of internet subculture it was trained on, much more fun than a plain flawless mirror.
much more fun than a plain flawless mirror.
yeah agreed! Back in the day I used to generate text for fun with n-grams and I never went higher than bigrams bc it was boring without those unexpected disfluencies. I thought of it being like an electric guitar, you want it to sound a little raw.
Link?
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Part of the fun of watching stuff isn’t because it “customised to me” it’s sharing an experience with the creator(s) and friends, family etc.
I see genAI being used as a tool for creators but not as an automation of content creation.
AI would be chronically incapable of implementing actually surprising plot twists that are both unexpected and consistent with the rest of the plot (and not somehow someone back into existence). If it hadn’t been written before, an AI would never make Darth Vader be Luke’s father unless specifically prompted, at which point, why even.
(I’ve just finished a hexalogy marathon, my head is full of jedi.)
I don’t think everyone is into that link tho (/j)
This guy bought so many rare monkey tokens. Ai is impressive in some aspects, but it’s not nearly as impressive as the marketing that drives the massive amounts of investment into it.
The US economy is doing anything it can to create growth, which is causing investors to create a bubble around AI that is “too big to fail”.
Yeah. I ran into some ai generated porn a while ago without realizing it immediately and initially it was certainly very hot. Once i realized what it was my interest died completely and I realized the flaw with ai gen porn is the complete lack of narrative continuity, especially in the meta sense. You will only ever get the first thing you see and maybe some similar looking derivatives. You’ll never get it to make a true story exploring ideas and boundaries, or even just being able to make the same character consistently, let alone in different circumstances or within a larger meta context. It’s the most soulless art possible. It says nothing and it means nothing, and people are going to realize they care about those things when the novelty wears off.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell.” - Edward Abbey.
you seem to underestimate just how fast ai is growing.
It’s growing fast, yes, but it’s nowhere near actually intelligent or hyperrealistic to the point it’s fooling anyone familiar with the tech.
