The 23-year-old was pulled out of the van, placed in handcuffs, and detained for about 25 minutes while the agent searched him. When the agents finally found his ID confirming his citizenship, the agents let him go — without offering any explanation or apology.
A 23-year-old electrician from Brentwood is speaking out after a disturbing encounter with federal immigration agents left him handcuffed and shaken, despite being a U.S. citizen.
Elzon Lemus says he was on the job, driving in a work van with his co-worker in Westbury when they were pulled over by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents. The incident was recorded on Lemus’ phone.
“What’s up, guys? Can I see your ID, please?” an agent asks in the video.
When Lemus questions why they’re being stopped, the agent replies vaguely, “Cause you look like someone I’m looking for. Can I see your ID?”
Lemus continues, “Who are you looking for exactly? Because it’s definitely not me.”
The agent then warns him, “This is going to go one of two ways here. I need to see your ID — if you’re not the guy I’m looking for, you’re not the guy I’m looking for. But we need your ID.”
When Lemus continues to question why he’s being stopped the agent escalates and says “If we don’t get your ID we are going to need to figure out another way to ID you and that may not work out well for you.”
Isn’t illegally detaining folks a violation of their civil rights/freedoms? Pretty sure that one that isn’t protected by qualified immunity… fucking scum
Take down individual names any time you have them. They are deciding to do those things individually, and they will answer individually to the citizens, when some bro stairs save america by being tripped upon by an ailing man, and it all starts crumbling and imploding.
The Gestapo strike again.
Papers please.
“Mom, I don’t wanna go to school today”
“Stop being lazy”
“No mom, I don’t want to get arrested by ICE”
Since the republicans passed laws allowing teachers to be armed in schools it would be such sweet karmatic justice if one them melts an ICE agent.
Guilty until proven innocent
“Papers, please”
Assholes
Since when can ICE make traffic stops?
Since people started obeying them. If it’s not a cop, you don’t have to stop.
The Yankee Gestapo have been allowed to do what they want by The Fatboy Tangerine …and by the us population.
These dumbass nicknames trivialize a very serious subject. What possible reason could you have to make a joke out of this?
Likely won’t be a popular opinion, but I for one agree. This is a serious issue.
I wouldn’t mind as much if they were at least clever but they’re always second grade playground level dumb. It makes all of us look like idiots.
Anyone can do anything. There are only consequences after the fact and only if the state agrees there should be.
Laws are just agreements not to do stuff
Since they are Trump’s secret police.
working as designed
Time to exercise the 2nd Ammendment
Then he’d just be dead.
Meh, I you could survive. ICE is like the most coward desk jockey law enforcement who only shoots a gun every 5 years to stay qualified. Before Homeland Security and ICE was formed, immigration officials were unarmed like IRS agents and social workers.
He’d probably have to go to trial but people have been acquitted of shooting cops and I think he’d have a good chance.
It’s a common theory that many of thr 1/6 rioters are now ICE members. So here is a list of the pardoned fucks. https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-january-6-prisoners-released-2018097
And fuck Jon Schaffer in particular.
ICE has been directly and illegally ordered to violate the fourth amendment and are doing it every day.
Lawsuit time and this one is legit.
And he might get justice in ten years.
And?
This is PAYDAY. Open and shut slam dunk.
I wish my rights were this clearly violated.
It’s payday… In ten years.
Assuming the laws don’t change.
And assuming ICE doesn’t kill him to stop the lawsuit.
Your cynicism is makes impossible to have a rational discussion.
Everything’s going to be back bite with some little sarcastic pissy remark and I just am exhausted by this kind of dialogue.
There’s nothing rational about your position! You literally said “I wish my rights were this clearly violated” and you think I’m supposed to take your position seriously? Your wide-eyed credulous optimism will run face-first into reality soon enough, and when you do, I won’t say “I told you so” because I know you’ll already understand that the time for lawsuits is coming to a close.
But don’t call me a cynic. I have revolutionary optimism. I know we can win when we take this seriously.
It’s payday if a judge in 10 years gives a shit about constitutional violations, or if judges are still non-partisan by then. The dude also looks Latino, so his odds are even worse. I am an outsider looking in, but I wouldn’t trust that shit hole country to uphold any sense of the law after what I’ve seen over the last few weeks. Fuckin’ embarrassing mess down there.
Yes, the democracy is crumbling but at least some people will get paid.
Profiting from dictatorship must be the most American thing ever.
Honestly? I hope he gets his bread and pays for his family to go somewhere better.
What? 🤣
Agreed, this is a clear cut Constitutional violation. Should be worth millions.
“You look like someone I’m looking for” seems to be a recurring quote from these guys.
Imagine having this in your car on a card and when ICE asks for your ID you pull this out.
Man, tfw I’m an immigrant, but I’m pale as the fucking moon so I can’t do this
They really hit the nail on the head with that cutaway
the last one is almost VANTA BLACK.
“You fit the profile”
Next is Stop and Frisk nationwide followed by “Papers Please”
Based on the latest reports, no way they would be polite enough to say “please”
removes wig
removes prosthetic teeth
removes rubber nose
removes lifts
removes muscle suit
“Do I still look like them?”holds up color chart “Yeah, you’re still a dead ringer.”
I’ve yet to see these guys looking for a middle aged white male or female.
Tbf didn’t they arrest a white Danish man recently?
One? … all the headlines highlight mass arrests of any kind of brown non-white person everywhere … dozens, even hundreds of them. I’m sure there are white people being added to that list somewhere but they are few and far between, while the majority of the masses being attacked are brown minority groups and individuals.
Can’t say it’s something I’d root for but is black/brown face still bad if you use it to waste cops and ice’s time?
“Papers, please!”
No wait, they are not that polite…
“Papers!”
Wait, they didn’t even lead with asking about his papers?
Damn…
“Submit to the skintone inspection!”
Can they legally ask if you aren’t suspected of a crime? Surely, driving to work is not a crime.
Bold of you to assume the law applies to them.
Bold of you to assume the Federal government still follows the law.
They said he looked like a suspect. Cough cough.
That’s not a reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Maybe being the guy that maybe did a crime isn’t good enough.
More to the point, being undocumented isn’t generally a crime- it’s a civil offense. The majority of people are either asylum seekers or people who’ve overstayed visas, rather than entering illegally.
Entering illegally is a misdemeanor, but over staying is not.
Yes, if you are driving you’re required by law in New York state to provide your driver’s license if asked.
If you’re walking to work you don’t have to carry ID, and you only have to identify yourself if they have a reasonable suspicion that you’re committing a crime.
Edit: Holy shit y’all are insane. I knew Lemmy was an echo chamber but mass downvoting simple, factual information like this really makes me think less of you.
Yes, if you are driving you’re required by law in New York state to provide your driver’s license if asked.
During a legal traffic stop, yes. They need a reason to pull you over, and that reason can’t be “I want to see your ID.” They must have reasonable suspicion that someone in the vehicle is an illegal immigrant. And that needs to be more substantial than “you look like you might be illegal.” Like they need very specific information that a specific person is in that specific vehicle.
The problem is the justice department has been gutted of anyone that might hold them accountable.
All of what you said, but also, can ICE conduct traffic stops? Like only state and local police can enforce traffic laws in their own states and jurisdictions right? Maybe if it’s an interstate highway… but I would think they need a reason to pull you over and actually be able to show that they planned to enforce some traffic infraction. I doubt ICE writes speeding tickets, so I think they are breaking some law here.
They can’t enforce traffic laws, no. So they need some reasonable suspicion that falls under their jurisdiction, which is why I mentioned that they need evidence that an illegal immigrant is in the vehicle. Actual reasonable suspicion, not just a hunch. Just like a traffic cop can’t legally pull you over unless they actually witness you breaking a traffic law.
so I think they are breaking some law here.
They are breaking several laws and violating constitutional rights all over the place. But again. Unless somebody in authority holds them accountable it isn’t going to matter.
ICE can conduct traffic stops within 100 miles of the boarder. Entire USA coastline is considered a boarder.
And within a hundred miles of an international airport. So basically everywhere. The 4th amendment died during W. Bush’s administration. I’ve been screaming about it since then and everyone called me a conspiracy theorist.
Short answer, yes they can.
Long answer, it’s really going to depend on the state and the laws there.
That said, common etiquette would be not to unless, as someone else pointed out, they had a very specific reason to suspect an illegal immigrant is in the vehicle. Usually, LEOs stick to their specific jurisdiction’s unless they are asked to assist in another.
Typical federal agencies would notify and work with law enforcement, but sanctuary states have directed state and local law enforcement not to.
They are breaking the law and violating a US citizens constitutional rights, that’s where America is right now.
Edit: Holy shit y’all are insane. I knew Lemmy was an echo chamber but mass downvoting simple, factual information like this really makes me think less of you.
Yeah, they don’t really care about facts, logic, or reason. They also don’t see how that makes them like the people they hate.
