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    France, Germany, the US, and UK are all issuing official statements in full support of Israel’s attack, and the US is moving some naval vessels to the ME to defend its little brother. Only China and Russia are going to oppose them on the UN security council.

    How’s it going “enlightened democracies”?

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      None of them want Iran to have nuclear weapons. They are probably fine with Israel doing the dirty work.

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          Countries allowed to have nukes:

          • countries that already have them
          • countries that make them before someone stops them

          Don’t forget China, India, and Pakistan all have nukes.

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    Albert Einstein was 100% correct. I am ashamed of the politicians in Germany who fail to learn the lessons from WWII.

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    Iran is illegally building a nuclear weapon for illegal self defense and Israel is doing a Jack Bauer to stop them.

    Obviously, Germany - a country with a long and storied history of liberal democratic values and anti-war principles - will come down on the right side of this conflict. There’s no way they’d just align with a Middle Eastern Imperialist power looking to dominate and ethically cleanse a region of its native people.

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    In 2023, Germany said: “Confronted with an openly aggressive Russia, the importance of nuclear deterrence has increased for many states, including for [Germany].

    Germany is one of five NATO members to host US nuclear weapons on its territory as part of a nuclear-sharing agreement. The German air force is assigned approximately 15 B61 nuclear bombs, which are deployed at the Büchel air base.

    In 2016, Germany voted against the UN General Assembly resolution that established the formal mandate for states to commence negotiations on “a legally binding instrument to prohibit nuclear weapons, leading towards their total elimination”.

    https://www.icanw.org/germany

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      Germany: Nuclear weapons are good actually

      Also Germany: Ban nuclear power return to burning coal

      Guess they don’t like nuclear if it doesn’t involve killing people

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      France being famous for having disposed of all 290 of its own nuclear weapons, of course.

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      Didn’t click on the link but based on the last 8 years, anything Macron says has a strong probability of being dogshit made to sound plausible and appealing to the end user.
      We had chatgpt as president before chatgpt was the hype.
      So whatever he wrote on the nazi social network, take it with a huge pinch of salt.

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      It’s amazing how France and Germany seem to have the same view after US has been pushing the nuclear path. Feels like some play book is being acted out.

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      Always Sunny memes are perfect for modern international politics.

      And I guess we’re maybe all going to die because we keep letting idiots lead our countries.

      I would get politically active to try to help, but that feels like Charlie work.

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    Worse hypocrisy than “Russia has no right to defend itself”. Prior to US led nazi coup in 2014, Russia and Ukraine had close economic/political ties, even as supposed Russian stooge President was exploring in good faith EU membership. Coup was designed to sabotage that relationship, with direct NATO/nazi threats to Russia.

    Israel’s relationship with neighbours and Iran has never been defensive. Europe’s rulers always siding with US empire, even as US attacks it, is deeply traitorous. JCPOA process, appears to be the same EU deception as Minsk accords or 2 state solution Norway/Camp David BS. Germany, specifically has no chill between nazi and zionazi extremes.

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      As a gay ppl: So what? You think this attack is going to advance quiltbag rights?

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        Happy pride month! I feel a little silly saying happy given the current circumstances of the world, but I think we gotta press on or they win.

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          I’m too socially inept to know how to respond to this, but I appreciate your post and agree with the sentiment, to the degree that I feel an upvote is inadequate.

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            I’m also socially inept and I worry I may say the wrong thing, especially as an ally. But I want to express my support durning pride month and in general. I just find I’m a bit clumsy when it comes to the words. I rewrote this comment like 3 times lol.

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      Israel has executed orders of magnitude more gay people in the past six months alone

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      Gay people still can’t get married in Israel right? So these are both awful countries run by awful people. It just so happens that Israel is the aggressor.

      One party being bad doesn’t make the other party good. If we are lucky every single employed person both governments will suddenly drop dead.

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      Thou shalt kill those less liberal than us is a slippery slope. Neocon/neoliberalism all justify genocidal supremacism under rigged democracy. Geopolitics manufactures hate first, makes up reasons 2nd. There has never been any offer to Iran to decriminalize hedonism in exchange for anything.

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      Failed gotcha talking point considering that the main bulk of western Zionists are rabidly anti-LGBT, anti-reproductive rights, anti-evolution Christian fanatics who support Israel because they low key believe the existence of Israel is integral to the second coming. Also, not coincidentally the exact same crowd that voted in all the presidents who sponsored groups like Al Qaeda to push against the communist government of Afghanistan and other communist, socialist and secular movements in the region because birds of a feather work together and religious fanatics apparently get along when they need to and then betray each other because morals don’t count if god is supposedly always on your side amirite.

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      Iran with nuclear weapons is a nuisance for all civilized countries countries that want to bomb Iran with impunity

      Thank God the pillar of stability Israel has nukes, though. They aren’t aggressive like Iran, they’re only at war with half their neighbors.