That’s a bad faith argument. No body wants that. Just because it exists doesn’t mean I’m defending it. The alternative is letting a paste-brained Putin-wannabe become King.
Sadly, people do “want” this. They have been conditioned to want it their entire life, from a young age, through the media they consumed telling them it is what they want and then internalizing those notions without ever realizing it. Now as adults they hold onto those beliefs and are incapable of being introspective about the roots of their own desires to see that they are being manipulated.
The human mind is no different from the mind of an animal, and can be manipulated in the many of same ways. We live in a society that is a direct product of these manipulations.
Somebody must want it, otherwise it wouldn’t exist. And that’s fine. People want what they want, I don’t think it’s mine, or anyone else’s place to tell someone what they can or cannot like or want. But, I hope you understand why it’s hard for some to find the motivation to fight for a society that they don’t particularly like.
The neoliberal forced dichotomy of “you have to choose to maintain the capitalist status quo that is actively getting worse with every day, otherwise you get the Big, Bad Boogeyman who is gonna do the same thing but at an accelerated pace” is so fucking infuriating.
Also that life is one we choose by wanting a solid predictable life. Anyone can online in the woods in Alaska off grid. Its just a fuck ton of work and you could starve or freeze.
Who said anything about moving to alaska? People just want a reasonable, sustainable society. Not murdering most of the planet for the sake of concrete, gas, and self-destruction.
I think people do not realize how hard it is to make the creature comforts you are all so used to. No one thinks of the massive bio plants, wastewater plants, construction companies etc that create the comfortable world we live in. On the surface sure, you live in a nice compact apartment with 1000 other people so the land is densely populated, but you still had to build on that land, all the wastewater needs to be treated, and you’re going to have people who don’t want to live squished together. Hence what we have today. Urban sprawl may suck but when you get your own house you don’t really care anymore.
Also you can’t have a sustainable society when we keep increasing population, and everyone’s idea of sustainable is different. One person may be satisfied to have food and read books all day. The other one may want a Woodshop so they can build. The other one may want a large garage so they can work on old cars…see where im going? Sure if everyone was content to sit on a couch all day, our idea of a simple sustainable life may work. But some of us are doers.
That’s a bad faith argument. No body wants that. Just because it exists doesn’t mean I’m defending it. The alternative is letting a paste-brained Putin-wannabe become King.
Sadly, people do “want” this. They have been conditioned to want it their entire life, from a young age, through the media they consumed telling them it is what they want and then internalizing those notions without ever realizing it. Now as adults they hold onto those beliefs and are incapable of being introspective about the roots of their own desires to see that they are being manipulated.
The human mind is no different from the mind of an animal, and can be manipulated in the many of same ways. We live in a society that is a direct product of these manipulations.
Somebody must want it, otherwise it wouldn’t exist. And that’s fine. People want what they want, I don’t think it’s mine, or anyone else’s place to tell someone what they can or cannot like or want. But, I hope you understand why it’s hard for some to find the motivation to fight for a society that they don’t particularly like.
The capitalists wanted it, and with influence on media and culture instilled it into us as the ideal. We are fighting to change it.
Peacefully and inconsistently
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People don’t have to want things for them to exist. That’s a stupid qualifier and a logically bankrupt argument.
That’s a big turd of a false dichotomy.
The alternative is a sustainable future for the planet.
The neoliberal forced dichotomy of “you have to choose to maintain the capitalist status quo that is actively getting worse with every day, otherwise you get the Big, Bad Boogeyman who is gonna do the same thing but at an accelerated pace” is so fucking infuriating.
Also that life is one we choose by wanting a solid predictable life. Anyone can online in the woods in Alaska off grid. Its just a fuck ton of work and you could starve or freeze.
Who said anything about moving to alaska? People just want a reasonable, sustainable society. Not murdering most of the planet for the sake of concrete, gas, and self-destruction.
I think people do not realize how hard it is to make the creature comforts you are all so used to. No one thinks of the massive bio plants, wastewater plants, construction companies etc that create the comfortable world we live in. On the surface sure, you live in a nice compact apartment with 1000 other people so the land is densely populated, but you still had to build on that land, all the wastewater needs to be treated, and you’re going to have people who don’t want to live squished together. Hence what we have today. Urban sprawl may suck but when you get your own house you don’t really care anymore.
Also you can’t have a sustainable society when we keep increasing population, and everyone’s idea of sustainable is different. One person may be satisfied to have food and read books all day. The other one may want a Woodshop so they can build. The other one may want a large garage so they can work on old cars…see where im going? Sure if everyone was content to sit on a couch all day, our idea of a simple sustainable life may work. But some of us are doers.
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