35% of trips in Darmstadt are done with a car, that means 65% are not. Parking is a horrible indicator for that.
No, in the snippet you linked it says that in 2018 35% of trips within Darmstadt (length = 1-3km) were done by car. 3 km being walking distance for I think this is quite high. I’m sure however that the current number is lower. For some reason you assume that people living near center never leave it - your attempt at straw manning the Parking into this leads me to assume you’re just being disingenuous (again).
Let’s still run with it and look at the source of your outdated and ill-interpreted snippet. The current version is covering all cities and the result presentation differs a bit: Ergebnispräsentation SrV 2023.
Download the PDF and look at the following slides.
slides:
12 - Modal Split (aufkommensbezogen) <- i.e. moste frequently used by type
13 - Modal Split (verkehrsleistungsbezogen) <- i.e. length by type
30 - Antriebsarten der Pkw nach Raumtyp
31 - Comparison of charging options by area type
36 - length of e|bike trips by area type
What you should see looking at these:
cars are used for only a third of trips / P
cars are used for 57,5% of total length travelled / P
this paired with TCO of a car vs. rental cost is one reason for the parking situation we can observe
bikes are used for a trip length up to 5km (avg)
EV usage, while growing, is not where it needs to be.
EV usage in big cities is lower than in small cities (re-read this thread to discover why that is)
urban regions have a higher usage and demand for public charging (this, with the point above should hopefully rase some questions )
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Also Germany has a lot of suburbanization happening. It is not quite American style, but it is pretty easy to find parts of cities with nearly exlcusivly single family houses. The street layout is better, they do have some public transport and are denser, but they are nonetheless suburbs. For Darmstadt Wixhausen is a pretty good example of a suburb.
Honestly, this might be the dumbest thing I have read today. Yes, Wixhausen is one of the suburbs of Darmstadt. In fact most if not all cities on the planet have suburbs. No, they are not all the same and Wixhausen is nothing like US suburbs.
I know my comment was long but I’m still dissapointed that you understood less than I thought you would. The study, or rather the presentation of results, which is the basis of the article you linked is very interesting. Unfortunately I don’t know how to break it doewn even simpler. You should ask someone to explain it to you.
You still believe that I ever said that Germany has American style suburbs… Which I have never done.
You also continue to claim that I believe German cities have no alternatives to cars, which I have even used as a reason to reduce the number of cars above.
Honestly this feels like you live in a city and bought an EV, but lack a private parking spot for charging. So you feel personally attacked, by me being in any way anti car, as you love your car and hate the idea of anybody taking it away from you. You also seem to believe that everybody should live like you, as can be seen by your arguments of charging at home being a niche situation.
So just to say it, EVs are better the ICE cars and public charging in Germany does suck both in price and service. Should be improved for sure. However I much rather have ICE cars replaced with public transit, walking and cycling, then EVs. Especially in cities and I believe and have seen that this is entirly possible on a rather large scale.
You still believe that I ever said that Germany has American style suburbs… Which I have never done.
No, you just brought that up numerous times. Strawman.
You also continue to claim that I believe German cities have no alternatives to cars, which I have even used as a reason to reduce the number of cars above.
Pure fantasy. None of that has happened in this thread & this does not even make sense.
Honestly this feels like you live in a city and bought an EV, … blablablabla
It’s amazing how you didn’t even retain the info about my above average walking and biking distance (ref. Ergebnispräsentation SrV 2023). You never properly read that snippet of proof you shared nor did you bother to look up the study, you can’t even comprehend the bits of it hand fed to you. Again have someone explain the study results to you or paste it into a LLM and have it create an ELI5 version for you.
Let’s still run with it and look at the source of your outdated and ill-interpreted snippet. The current version is covering all cities and the result presentation differs a bit: Ergebnispräsentation SrV 2023. Download the PDF and look at the following slides. slides:
What you should see looking at these:
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Honestly, this might be the dumbest thing I have read today. Yes, Wixhausen is one of the suburbs of Darmstadt. In fact most if not all cities on the planet have suburbs. No, they are not all the same and Wixhausen is nothing like US suburbs.
Looks at data once and then needs to you insults to try to win the argument…
I know my comment was long but I’m still dissapointed that you understood less than I thought you would. The study, or rather the presentation of results, which is the basis of the article you linked is very interesting. Unfortunately I don’t know how to break it doewn even simpler. You should ask someone to explain it to you.
You still believe that I ever said that Germany has American style suburbs… Which I have never done.
You also continue to claim that I believe German cities have no alternatives to cars, which I have even used as a reason to reduce the number of cars above.
Honestly this feels like you live in a city and bought an EV, but lack a private parking spot for charging. So you feel personally attacked, by me being in any way anti car, as you love your car and hate the idea of anybody taking it away from you. You also seem to believe that everybody should live like you, as can be seen by your arguments of charging at home being a niche situation.
So just to say it, EVs are better the ICE cars and public charging in Germany does suck both in price and service. Should be improved for sure. However I much rather have ICE cars replaced with public transit, walking and cycling, then EVs. Especially in cities and I believe and have seen that this is entirly possible on a rather large scale.
No, you just brought that up numerous times. Strawman.
Pure fantasy. None of that has happened in this thread & this does not even make sense.
It’s amazing how you didn’t even retain the info about my above average walking and biking distance (ref. Ergebnispräsentation SrV 2023). You never properly read that snippet of proof you shared nor did you bother to look up the study, you can’t even comprehend the bits of it hand fed to you. Again have someone explain the study results to you or paste it into a LLM and have it create an ELI5 version for you.