How can you in one breath confirm Kamala wasn’t progressive enough and an the same time claim people did not turn up not because of the lack of appeal to leftist politics? Which is it? It’s the whole argument of this thread. What do you think we’re discussing?
I don’t care what sub I’m in. All I want is leftists to learn to become politically effective. I want leftist objectives to become mainstream. I want to get us out of this endless loop of whining and pandering to virtue signals. I’m going off the starting topic above about how leftists refuse participate in the electoral process because the candidates put forward are not idealistically aligned 100%. This is shortsighted and gets nothing accomplished. These next four years the Overton window will move so far to the right we might as well start over from scratch. It’s one thing to clap all day about progressive values. It’s another process altogether to become politically effective. Some of that requires building coalitions. Doing the groundwork to set up foundations. You know, politics.
All I want is leftists to learn to become politically effective.
So your definition of “politically effective” is to just become liberals?
I want leftist objectives to become mainstream.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the (so-called) “mainstream” exists to co-opt and de-radicalise leftist objectives. The “mainstream” is not funded by Anarchism Inc, you know.
because the candidates put forward are not idealistically aligned 100%.
The candidates put forward are 100% antithetical to leftists objectives. Political parties do not exist to represent the working class and never have. They’re not funded by Anarchist Inc either.
It’s one thing to clap all day about progressive values.
Fuck “progressive” values.
Some of that requires building coalitions.
Coalitions with whom? The very liberals who will sell us out to the fascists as soon as we threaten the power and privilege of their capitalist benefactors?
You’re doing the thing. You’re grandstanding while not engaging with the substance of what I wrote.
I never said leftist have to become liberal. Did I say that? Where did I say that?
I’ve heard this diatribe a thousand times. It’s like you guys share the same copy pasta so you can fellate endlessly to how “neoliberalism is fascism in disguise”.
Enjoy your circle jerk. Some of us are going to roll up our sleeves and get to work trying to make the world better.
Same old same old grandstanding and huffing and puffing. Now we have to drag me politics into any of this as if you really give a damn about Palestine (I know you don’t).
Have fun sitting on your throne of… getting absolutely nothing done.
Please stop projecting, liberal. We all know your ilk is perfectly fine with genocide as long as the blood and gore doesn’t intrude into your first-world consumerist utopia.
You have always been perfectly fine with it… you’re just not as honest about it as your fascist cousins.
Feel free to piss off and sink with your precious and faux “liberal democracy.” No one here will shed a tear for you.
Yes I’m on my phone on the go. It’s sometimes not easy to type it out as I had in my mind. I think everyone can understand what I intended unless they are brain dead.
Kamala was too centrist for people so they didn’t show up. But two things can be true: leftists generally don’t participate in politics and dnc candidates tend to skew to the middle. Because guess what? Older people show up more to polls.
What “leftist strategy” of non-participation?
Do you really believe the people who stayed away from the US elections last year did so because of some “leftist strategy?”
Get real.
How can you in one breath confirm Kamala wasn’t progressive enough and an the same time claim people did not turn up not because of the lack of appeal to leftist politics? Which is it? It’s the whole argument of this thread. What do you think we’re discussing?
You’re on an anarchist sub, Clyde - nobody here is going to be fooled by politicians peddling edgy liberalism.
Go back and make sure you didn’t lose the plot of the thread at the very start, okay?
I don’t care what sub I’m in. All I want is leftists to learn to become politically effective. I want leftist objectives to become mainstream. I want to get us out of this endless loop of whining and pandering to virtue signals. I’m going off the starting topic above about how leftists refuse participate in the electoral process because the candidates put forward are not idealistically aligned 100%. This is shortsighted and gets nothing accomplished. These next four years the Overton window will move so far to the right we might as well start over from scratch. It’s one thing to clap all day about progressive values. It’s another process altogether to become politically effective. Some of that requires building coalitions. Doing the groundwork to set up foundations. You know, politics.
So your definition of “politically effective” is to just become liberals?
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the (so-called) “mainstream” exists to co-opt and de-radicalise leftist objectives. The “mainstream” is not funded by Anarchism Inc, you know.
The candidates put forward are 100% antithetical to leftists objectives. Political parties do not exist to represent the working class and never have. They’re not funded by Anarchist Inc either.
Fuck “progressive” values.
Coalitions with whom? The very liberals who will sell us out to the fascists as soon as we threaten the power and privilege of their capitalist benefactors?
You’re doing the thing. You’re grandstanding while not engaging with the substance of what I wrote.
I never said leftist have to become liberal. Did I say that? Where did I say that?
I’ve heard this diatribe a thousand times. It’s like you guys share the same copy pasta so you can fellate endlessly to how “neoliberalism is fascism in disguise”.
Enjoy your circle jerk. Some of us are going to roll up our sleeves and get to work trying to make the world better.
So… just more liberalism from you, eh?
How long do you think it’ll take them to get you to do apologetics for genocide?
Same old same old grandstanding and huffing and puffing. Now we have to drag me politics into any of this as if you really give a damn about Palestine (I know you don’t).
Have fun sitting on your throne of… getting absolutely nothing done.
Please stop projecting, liberal. We all know your ilk is perfectly fine with genocide as long as the blood and gore doesn’t intrude into your first-world consumerist utopia.
You have always been perfectly fine with it… you’re just not as honest about it as your fascist cousins.
Feel free to piss off and sink with your precious and faux “liberal democracy.” No one here will shed a tear for you.
I think you should just read what you wrote. you seem to be able to put the words in the right order, without understanding what they mean.
Yes I’m on my phone on the go. It’s sometimes not easy to type it out as I had in my mind. I think everyone can understand what I intended unless they are brain dead.
Kamala was too centrist for people so they didn’t show up. But two things can be true: leftists generally don’t participate in politics and dnc candidates tend to skew to the middle. Because guess what? Older people show up more to polls.