I’ve tried reasoning with you before so I know you won’t listen, you are a devout believer in voting blue no matter who and I’d have about as much luck trying to reason with you as if I tried to convince my parents to become atheists.
Everything you say is wrong, and your words constantly show your true beliefs that you refuse to admit. For example, “The Dems told Palestinian activists to wait their turn to talk,” when in fact they disrupted protests through force, arrested many of them, denounced them as antisemites, and refused to give even the token gesture of allowing a Palestinians speaker at the convention. You don’t mind any of that, because despite what you’ll say, you don’t care about the issue.
I have no interest in discussing anything further with you.
I’m a devout believer in voting blue no matter who until there is a better alternative.
The problem, fundamentally, is that you have no plan (and actively opposed plans) to make an alternative come into reality. Because you are a liberal who supports what we already have. Where there’s a will, there’s a way, but when there isn’t a will, there certainly isn’t a way - this is why you cannot find any alternative to voting blue no matter who unconditionally, forever (no matter how much you try to weasel that you don’t), because you don’t actually want to find an alternative, because you’re not in the market for one at all.
But, as a liberal, you can’t actually stand for anything, even liberalism. You exaxtly fit MLK’s description of the white moderate who is always saying, “I agree with your goals but I disagree with your methods” and is always telling people to “wait for a more convenient time.” We’ve been through this and I will not entertain your pretenses of being any sort of leftist.
Nope. I can remember you now, the moment someone on the left criticizes your deeply flawed attempt at praxis, you turn into the sincerity police and declare them to be liberals. This is extremely transparent
The problem, fundamentally, is that you have no plan (and actively opposed plans) to make an alternative come into reality.
False. I am actively opposed to bad plans. I care more about actually securing a leftist government than about virtue signaling to online revolutionary cosplayers, which means I focus more on material solutions than lofty ideology.
Because you are a liberal who supports what we already have.
False, I’m simply aware of what we already have, and which actions are incapable of changing it.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way, but when there isn’t a will, there certainly isn’t a way
Precisely my point. The American people lack the will. Maybe that will change, but for now that is the case.
this is why you cannot find any alternative to voting blue no matter who unconditionally, forever (no matter how much you try to weasel that you don’t), because you don’t actually want to find an alternative, because you’re not in the market for one at all.
Once again, false. But again, I’m not in the market for ineffective virtue signal “alternatives” like protest voting third party in the general election. I’m in the market for effective alternatives, like democratizing workplaces and building grassroots campaigns in local elections so that one day we can have a viable leftist candidate in the general election.
You exaxtly fit MLK’s description of the white moderate who is always saying, “I agree with your goals but I disagree with your methods” and is always telling people to “wait for a more convenient time.” We’ve been through this and I will not entertain your pretenses of being any sort of leftist.
Which would have come close to an interesting point if your methods worked. But they don’t. It’s not liberalism to reject counterproductive methods. I don’t consider anyone who abandons the material dialectic for ideological grandstanding to be a leftist. You are a cosplayer with a romanticized vision of revolution, and none of the tact or organization so essentially necessary to enact that revolution.
Which is why I came to a hostile community to criticize ineffective ideological purity and get called a liberal? Who exactly am I signaling virtue to here?
I’ve tried reasoning with you before so I know you won’t listen, you are a devout believer in voting blue no matter who and I’d have about as much luck trying to reason with you as if I tried to convince my parents to become atheists.
Everything you say is wrong, and your words constantly show your true beliefs that you refuse to admit. For example, “The Dems told Palestinian activists to wait their turn to talk,” when in fact they disrupted protests through force, arrested many of them, denounced them as antisemites, and refused to give even the token gesture of allowing a Palestinians speaker at the convention. You don’t mind any of that, because despite what you’ll say, you don’t care about the issue.
I have no interest in discussing anything further with you.
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The problem, fundamentally, is that you have no plan (and actively opposed plans) to make an alternative come into reality. Because you are a liberal who supports what we already have. Where there’s a will, there’s a way, but when there isn’t a will, there certainly isn’t a way - this is why you cannot find any alternative to voting blue no matter who unconditionally, forever (no matter how much you try to weasel that you don’t), because you don’t actually want to find an alternative, because you’re not in the market for one at all.
But, as a liberal, you can’t actually stand for anything, even liberalism. You exaxtly fit MLK’s description of the white moderate who is always saying, “I agree with your goals but I disagree with your methods” and is always telling people to “wait for a more convenient time.” We’ve been through this and I will not entertain your pretenses of being any sort of leftist.
Nope. I can remember you now, the moment someone on the left criticizes your deeply flawed attempt at praxis, you turn into the sincerity police and declare them to be liberals. This is extremely transparent
False. I am actively opposed to bad plans. I care more about actually securing a leftist government than about virtue signaling to online revolutionary cosplayers, which means I focus more on material solutions than lofty ideology.
False, I’m simply aware of what we already have, and which actions are incapable of changing it.
Precisely my point. The American people lack the will. Maybe that will change, but for now that is the case.
Once again, false. But again, I’m not in the market for ineffective virtue signal “alternatives” like protest voting third party in the general election. I’m in the market for effective alternatives, like democratizing workplaces and building grassroots campaigns in local elections so that one day we can have a viable leftist candidate in the general election.
Which would have come close to an interesting point if your methods worked. But they don’t. It’s not liberalism to reject counterproductive methods. I don’t consider anyone who abandons the material dialectic for ideological grandstanding to be a leftist. You are a cosplayer with a romanticized vision of revolution, and none of the tact or organization so essentially necessary to enact that revolution.
methinks thou doth protest too much
Which is why I came to a hostile community to criticize ineffective ideological purity and get called a liberal? Who exactly am I signaling virtue to here?
voting democrat is an ineffective virtue signal.
How could you possibly come to that conclusion? How is that a virtue signal?
did you vote for Democrats? was it effective?
ipso facto