We’re well past identifying the source of the problem. If aliens invaded and everyone was debating how best to fight back, you’d be sitting there saying “Why is nobody blaming the aliens!?” Everyone who would understand that the country is falling into fascism already does. Anyone who doesn’t simply hasn’t yet admitted that they like fascism.
Yes, fascists exist, and are to blame for a large chunk of the failures of society. Now is the time to figure out who’s going to help fight against them in a way that keeps them away for as long as possible, and who’s going to claim that they had some good points, setting the stage for their expedited return.
Alright but you’re also additionally alienating the party who majority aligns with your supposed policy stances as well as the people who vote for them, unless you dislike accountability, democracy, and worker solidarity.
If you think the Democratic party in any way, shape, or form supports leftist (especially anarchist) ideology, then you are so politically illiterate that it isn’t even a joke. It’s just sad.
And what’s your plan to get that done? What, you’re going to convince wealthy politicians to give you those things, and piss off their donors, just out of the goodness of their hearts? What about when they don’t do that, are you going to find your backbone and criticize them directly instead of turning all of your vitriol to the left of you?
No, of course not. Your plan is to vote harder and throw up your hands when the things we desperately need as a class are explicitly left off the table; spoiling the vote, btw; because the things that would really get people out to vote, across party lines, just happen to be things that go against the interests of the ruling class. Then you’ll shout at the rest of us for “dividing the left” when we point out the fucking obvious that those who derive power from capital are not going to give up that power voluntarily and the whole thing was smoke and mirrors to keep you invested in the system that affords them that power.
We as a class will need to organize and build class consciousness so that we can pull our collective power together and use it to force the hand of the ruling class. That’s what a realistic plan looks like. That is the only way meaningful change has ever been wrought about in this country.
Fair democracy with an educated populace to minimize all human suffering and avert maximum harm.
Don’t like wealth hoarders? Tax them.
Don’t like shady businesses? Regulate them.
If something needs to be overthrown it’s a wannabe despot, not the concept of goods traded for legal tender. Constant progress has occured for hundreds of years. Theres hardly ever a time in the past better than this decade in the USA.
Capitalism is not only “the concept of goods traded for legal tender”, it is an ideology that wealth accumulation is the one true moral good to strive for above all else, no matter who or what you have to exploit for it. It is a system where power and capital are one and the same.
Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism, fascism is imperialism turned inwards. It’s a corporate capture of government to remove all obstacles for wealth accumulation, private growth at the expense of the working class using the out-group as a scapegoat. It’s not only a really bad guy getting into power, it is the natural progression of capitalism.
Theres hardly ever a time in the past better than this decade in the USA.
This is laughably false. Holy shit you’re brainwashed.
If anything you suggested worked, we wouldn’t be here. We have had all of that in the past, and it didn’t solve the core problem that allowed all of it to then be taken away.
It’s a great thought experiment, but it’s not a plan and it doesn’t help anyone who was already struggling before the last decade.
an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.
Also called “free enterprise”, “private enterprise”, an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, characterized by the freedom of capitalists to operate or manage their property for profit in competitive conditions Compare socialism
An economic and political system characterized by a free market for goods and services and private control of production and consumption. ( Compare socialism and communism .)
Some people will use this term to describe the USA and EU but not China. They will say they want to destroy capitalism (but not China).
We’re well past identifying the source of the problem. If aliens invaded and everyone was debating how best to fight back, you’d be sitting there saying “Why is nobody blaming the aliens!?” Everyone who would understand that the country is falling into fascism already does. Anyone who doesn’t simply hasn’t yet admitted that they like fascism.
Yes, fascists exist, and are to blame for a large chunk of the failures of society. Now is the time to figure out who’s going to help fight against them in a way that keeps them away for as long as possible, and who’s going to claim that they had some good points, setting the stage for their expedited return.
Alright but you’re also additionally alienating the party who majority aligns with your supposed policy stances as well as the people who vote for them, unless you dislike accountability, democracy, and worker solidarity.
If you think the Democratic party in any way, shape, or form supports leftist (especially anarchist) ideology, then you are so politically illiterate that it isn’t even a joke. It’s just sad.
They’ve previously defended Nazis and continue to claim they never did so, they’re amazingly politically illiterate and refuse to learn
Devotion to capitalism and the status quo will certainly complicate forming a unified front based around against changing the economic system.
I’ve yet to converse with somebody who has any realistic plan to do away with capitalism unless their definition of capitalism is “western nation”.
Let’s just tax the rich and regulate the markets.
And what’s your plan to get that done? What, you’re going to convince wealthy politicians to give you those things, and piss off their donors, just out of the goodness of their hearts? What about when they don’t do that, are you going to find your backbone and criticize them directly instead of turning all of your vitriol to the left of you?
No, of course not. Your plan is to vote harder and throw up your hands when the things we desperately need as a class are explicitly left off the table; spoiling the vote, btw; because the things that would really get people out to vote, across party lines, just happen to be things that go against the interests of the ruling class. Then you’ll shout at the rest of us for “dividing the left” when we point out the fucking obvious that those who derive power from capital are not going to give up that power voluntarily and the whole thing was smoke and mirrors to keep you invested in the system that affords them that power.
We as a class will need to organize and build class consciousness so that we can pull our collective power together and use it to force the hand of the ruling class. That’s what a realistic plan looks like. That is the only way meaningful change has ever been wrought about in this country.
Fair democracy with an educated populace to minimize all human suffering and avert maximum harm.
Don’t like wealth hoarders? Tax them.
Don’t like shady businesses? Regulate them.
If something needs to be overthrown it’s a wannabe despot, not the concept of goods traded for legal tender. Constant progress has occured for hundreds of years. Theres hardly ever a time in the past better than this decade in the USA.
Capitalism is not only “the concept of goods traded for legal tender”, it is an ideology that wealth accumulation is the one true moral good to strive for above all else, no matter who or what you have to exploit for it. It is a system where power and capital are one and the same.
Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism, fascism is imperialism turned inwards. It’s a corporate capture of government to remove all obstacles for wealth accumulation, private growth at the expense of the working class using the out-group as a scapegoat. It’s not only a really bad guy getting into power, it is the natural progression of capitalism.
This is laughably false. Holy shit you’re brainwashed.
If anything you suggested worked, we wouldn’t be here. We have had all of that in the past, and it didn’t solve the core problem that allowed all of it to then be taken away.
It’s a great thought experiment, but it’s not a plan and it doesn’t help anyone who was already struggling before the last decade.
Dictionary says:
capitalism
[ kap-i-tl-iz-uhm ] noun
an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.
Also called “free enterprise”, “private enterprise”, an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, characterized by the freedom of capitalists to operate or manage their property for profit in competitive conditions Compare socialism
An economic and political system characterized by a free market for goods and services and private control of production and consumption. ( Compare socialism and communism .)
Some people will use this term to describe the USA and EU but not China. They will say they want to destroy capitalism (but not China).