Some worry that New York City’s crackdown on unsafe cyclists leaves them facing greater consequences than drivers, even though cars cause more fatalities.

Some worry that New York City’s crackdown on unsafe cyclists leaves them facing greater consequences than drivers, even though cars cause more fatalities.

  • Aatube@kbin.melroy.orgOP
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    4 days ago

    those 100 squishy cyclists running red lights can all get hit by cars

    Even just 29 all getting run over is a ways less likely than a single car causing a chain reaction and causing the same amount of damage.

    possibly sending the innocent drivers to jail for vehicular homicide.

    Show me. I doubt that’s more likely than sending an innocent rider to jail.

    a large number of cyclists running red lights is demonstrably more dangerous than a small number of motorists running red lights

    You completely ignore my 108-word argument to the contrary.

    • hakase@lemm.eeEnglish
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      4 days ago

      Even just 29 all getting run over is a ways less likely than a single car causing a chain reaction and causing the same amount of damage.

      This is such a ridiculous claim that it’s not even worth responding to.

      Show me. I doubt that’s more likely than sending an innocent rider to jail.

      From your other responses in this thread, it doesn’t surprise me at all that you think that.

      You completely ignore my 108-word argument to the contrary.

      You’ve been ignoring everything I’ve said this entire conversation, which I’ve already pointed out multiple times in this thread.

      It’s clear that your biases aren’t going to allow you to see clearly in this situation, so I think I’m going to cut my losses here and disengage.

      Have a good one, and be sure to stop at red lights.

      • Aatube@kbin.melroy.orgOP
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        4 days ago

        This is such a ridiculous claim that it’s not even worth responding to.

        So is 29 cyclists all getting run over.

        https://www.google.com/search?q=innocent+drivers+accused+of+vehicular+homicide https://www.google.com/search?q=innocent+drivers+accused+of+vehicular+manslaughter+of+cyclists

        I’ve tried. I don’t see anything to objectively evince your claims in reality. In fact according to the AAA, “Nearly half of those killed in red light running crashes were passengers or people in other vehicles and more than 5% were pedestrians or cyclists.” If you want to prove the opposite, start your own study.

        You think the damage of 29 cyclist collisions is insane, and I think it’s not. You have biases that lie something else, that’s fine. But accusing me of ignoring what you’ve said when I’ve directly addressed them multiple times? In case it wasn’t clear enough, here’s what I meant.

        100 people getting broken bones is better than one person dying. Not to mention how probably motor vehicle accidents are to cause a chain reaction, that cyclists’ much lower inertia means they slow down much faster, and that motorists are more likely to be distracted—by bells and whistles and passengers and whatnot. Plus the ratio was ~36:1 (~29:1 excluding non-motorcycle bicycles, i.e. bikes that aren’t e-bikes or mopeds and can’t go above 15mph), not 100:1, as of 2016. Assuming constant speed and ignoring all the not-to-mentions, the median American vehicle delivers the kinetic energy of about 13 e-bikes. That’s very little less-than-half of the 29 of the ratio.

        That’s a direct analysis of the damage of a car. Cars have the same damage if they just cause accidents merely two times more than e-bikes, which they do at far more than two times; I did this math for someone else before and I think NY had data at the Statistics Repository for Traffic Safety or something like that (though the data did not factor in runs that treated the light as a stop sign). And not to mention that’s e-bikes. Bicycles only have a 6:1 frequency ratio and one car running a red light far eclipses the potential damage of 6 normal bicycles. The article doesn’t apply to just e-bikes; it applies to normal bicycles too.

        As for the cyclist getting impacted, there’s no mechanism that would automatically blame the driver or is more likely to falsely implicate the driver. Unless I’m not aware of articles that prove the contrary?