Maybe god does prevent Evil and the Universe is totally just and fair. The problem is humans thinking their version of Evil is the correct one. Maybe.

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    That’s certainly one definition of evil, yes

    Of course if you believe “God” set all of this in motion and with foreknowledge then even those seemingly random events have god’s intent behind them, yes?

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      Of course if you believe “God” set all of this in motion and with foreknowledge then even those seemingly random events have god’s intent behind them, yes?

      No, it means that you believe that “even those seemingly random events have god’s intent behind them”. A person’s sincerely held belief is not necessarily objectively true.

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        I don’t think that’s true, if you see what I said I was explaining it as a conditional statement, rather than a belief.

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          Your comment as stated, paraphrased, says that “if you believe A, then B is true.”

          A belief in A does not make B true. While you may have meant “if you believe A, then you believe B is true”, that’s not what you said.

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            Is this what Thomas Aquinas was talking about when he was discussing dancing on the head of a pin? 😁

            So, Is there a C?

            Like, if A (god set this in motion with foreknowledge) is true then B (god did so with intention to arrive at the anticipated outcomes) is not also true?

            Is there another answer? God set All this in motion knowing what would happen, and yet the outcome was not his intention? 🤪

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              … if A is true … then B …

              Okay, for starters, that’s different from “if you believe A is true, then B”. “If A then B” can be logically sound without A being true - or with A being false (those are two different things). In such a case, it would follow that B cannot be said to be true, because A is either false or cannot be shown to be true. Side note, if there is no way to demonstrate that A is false, then A is “unfalsifiable”, and the whole thing is not even worth considering.

              Anyway, if A is unfalsifiable or false, then B is undefined. B would be true if A were true, provided that B necessarily follows from A. For this case, you’d need to demonstrate that A is true for further consideration to be warranted.