My first months on Lemmy were spent on Lemmy.world, which was the biggest instance at the time. I had no experience with Hexbear because .world had defederated that instance. I sometimes saw it being described as a “tankie” instance, but it was nothing specific.
After I moved to .zip, I came across !games@hexbear.net, which seemed to be free from anything overtly political and reminded me of r/Gamingcirclejerk, so I subscribed to it and occasionally made comments related to gaming.
Today I made multiple comments to a post about an article on the STALKER game developers having removed the Soviet symbols and the Russian audio in the remastered edition of the game. I would argue that in the thread, there were no comments from me that could be construed by a reasonable person as defensive of Nazism, fascism, or even hinting at it. For example, in one of the comments, I linked a Ukrainian law that prohibits the use of Nazi symbols, though I highly advise looking through all my ten comments as to avoid any misunderstanding or false impressions.
Conversely, one comment posted by another user dismissed Holodomor as Nazi propaganda, which I reported, but a moderator of that community just ended up calling me out for that and taking no action, followed by them banning me.
The thread containing all of my untouched posts is still available via lemmy.zip. My comments are also available for viewing via my user page. They are not available on hexbear due to the ban.
Ukrainians have the same problem with neo-Nazis as other ex-Soviet countries.
Holodomor is a bit of a fuzzy matter, it’s picking a part of the more wide scale events relating to Ukraine and calling it genocide of Ukrainian people, while genocide involves intention to wipe out an ethnic group.
This was more of Stalin’s USSR treating people as expendable and hunger as acceptable when he needed the resources to build heavy industries for the military. Most of the grain producing areas of the USSR were in Ukraine and south of Russia, which is also where most of the victims were, because grain was taken by force according to planned norm and to fake reports (as it happens in such systems, administrators overreporting gains and underreporting losses).
So I somewhat feel strange when people talk of it like genocide example, but people arguing against that are usually worse, so let it be.
Anyway, the point of this comment was - those people don’t even think of such things, they act purely on vibes. Most of Soviet propaganda was intended for people literate in the first-second generation, it relied on vibes even more than, say, Nazi German propaganda or Western propaganda of that time and of our time. That allows it to work on people very far from Soviet reality or knowledge of USSR’s history. (Of course, there were more intelligent levels of Soviet propaganda, they seem almost fully forgotten, include marxist dialectics, optimism of the future, dreams of a united peaceful planet of intelligent people using their lives for learning and creation, and no war and violence. Would be weird to expect tankies to be familiar with anything of that.)
You can’t reason with people acting on vibes. Your comments’ vibes for them are predefined, you don’t affect them.
“holodomor is not a real genocide because stalin descided to just fucking let that specific group of people to fucking die from the famine that was fabricated through incompetence or other methods”
people making excuses for commie war crimes are same pieces of shit like those who make excuses for nazi war crimes. Literally a palette swap.
The whole fucking point is that this wasn’t
, it was much bigger in scale. Before thinking you’re being ironic or calling others names you might want to check such things.
they targeted specific groups of people often as well. Soviet union conducted genocide on a mass scale and its entire point was same as nazis: take over large parts of europe and replace their populations with russians. Unless you are explaining to ukranians that holodomor was okay and just an accident, bro, dont worry, I wasnt calling you names. And those who I did call names deserve it.
Commies are literally palette swapped nazis.
I’d need sources for something like that. There’s one “large part of Europe”, namely a piece of East Prussia now called Kaliningrad Oblast, where that happened.
The rest of East Prussia was ethnically cleansed in favor of Lithuanians and Poles. Both nations don’t seem eager to fix that, and you don’t seem eager to mention that.
And other areas were ethnically cleansed of Germans, Hungarians in favor of Poles, Czechs, Romanians.
There was also a mutual “population exchange” between Western Ukraine and Poland, where Poles were resettled from Ukraine to western areas of Poland cleansed from Germans, and Ukrainians from Poland were resettled to Ukraine. Ethnic cleansing as well.
Except for the first and the last things mentioned, those weren’t initiated by the USSR. Like the name “Benes decrees” kinda hints, being literally connected to Czechoslovakia, but in fact sometimes used for all of those crimes in Eastern Europe after the war.
No. In the USSR itself after Stalin they loved to low-key compare Stalin’s USSR to Nazi Germany, doesn’t make it true.
The kind of people who’d want Stalin back were a rarity, it seems, in the USSR itself after his death, unlike now in Russia. It was common knowledge, confirmed by party assemblies and many people being let out of prisons and rehabilitated, that repressions happened and were terrible, and that they shouldn’t happen again. It was also common knowledge, confirmed by official ideology as if that were needed, that war is terrible and no sane person wants war, and starting a war is unthinkable.
And even Stalin’s USSR wasn’t as similar to Nazi Germany as you think.
After Stalin it was the same leftist ideology, about workers having jobs and food on table, peaceful united humanity reaching for the stars, civilization and knowledge. Just with a memory of trauma and a belief in planning and centralism.
During Stalin it was about heroics and sacrifices made to have the same somewhere in far future, but that first a powerful socialist state should be built to demonstrate the advantages of socialism, and for that a lot of things could be considered necessary.
Before Stalin it was the same leftist ideology with too much trust into its success.
Sacrifices and heroics are typical for fascism, but not similar otherwise at all.
I hear a lot of ignoring mass murders and genocide here by some literal nobody who knows nothing.
You hear the sound of your own brain asking for fuel to actually function.
What do you mean by vibes exactly?
Music, art style, socrealism in portraits. Soviet architecture (the monumental and decorative kind). All that.
Yeah people who know literally nothing about communism other than russian propaganda and dont know anyone who lived under communism tend to like it.
Eh, well, I’m not a communist, actually I lean to the ancap side, but you also don’t know much about communism.
Living in the USSR wasn’t nice, but it was a kinda functioning state and society. Less evil than today’s Russia, and led by less evil people. And it was an honest attempt at building something good, that failed due to architectural faults and deadlocks eventually.
There’s a difference between intentional evil and evil by mistake. USSR’s the latter, today’s Russia’s the former.