And this is why I’m not bothered by Amazon taking it over.
James Bond has always been bizarre with tone. Each Bond is different. As long as they’re not as Bourne-y as Craig’s then I’ll be fine. But them stealing bonds quips and gadgets and women… The fuck? You made British Jason Bourne with more trauma and less of an ability to cope with it.
Craig was more like the Bond books I thought? A few of the earlier ones like On Her Majesty’s Secret Service followed the books, but the rest were way out there. I don’t think I’ve seen any of the Craig films all the way through though. I saw part of one on TV.
The Craig films certainly showed the more cold, gritty side of Bond that was portrayed in the books, but that wasn’t really the intent of the earlier films. The earlier films were made more lighthearted and fun on purpose, really only following the books for the basic story. Even Brosnan’s Bond still kept a bit of the whimsical nature to an extent, though they certainly were catering to the 90s action audience. Craig’s Brosnan more crossed into psychological thriller in my opinion, and I wasn’t too big on them.
Which is why my favorite Daniel Craig Bond moment is the Casino Royale naked torture scene. Bond telling the torturer to hit him again, then laughing because he’s “scratching my balls” is peak whimsy (within the new Bond universe).
I want my Bond to be a bit silly, and that was sadly the only time they did it.
100% agree. Half the reason I love the old Bond movies was because they were so goofy, along with some good action scenes and a fun storyline. The new stuff just strikes me as big budget boxoffice grabs. They aren’t bad, but they aren’t 007. That said, the newer Casino Royale was miles better than the 1967 version. I love Peter Sellers, but that movie tried way too hard and failed miserably.
A different tone isn’t what we should be worried about, it’s that they’ll turn it into Russo brothers shit like Citadel. The only reason Fallout was good is because it’s Nolan/Joy in charge.
Edit: This comment was meant to be jokey but re-reading it, that tone isn’t really achieved.
My point was just that Bond movies have a series of being all over the place. I mean we have gotten a lot of insane bullshit in the past. And while the original movies were more ‘serious’, they also had way more camp and fun than the Craig ones do. I love the Craig ones for what they are but they’re a very gritty take on Bond. I just hope it doesn’t become the default.
I rewatched them all when Amazon added them a few years back.
There are precious few good Bond films. A lot of them are quite generic, and the later Brosnan movies especially bad. The appearance of Madonna in anything is never a good sign.
What’s most surprising is that there was nearly as big a gap between Spectre and No Time To Die as the entire Brosnan era.
I love the Brosnan movies but they’re not particularly good. Was just my entry point to Bond and I want to fuck the shit out of the man so that helps. Roger Moore though… my favorite. And both of those Bonds made some of the worst Bond movies but they also had the suave down for me like no one else did.
Growing up in the 80s, he was my generation’s Bond, and every bank holiday or Boxing Day movie was nearly always one of his.
The zoom to the scarecrow in Live and Let Die scared the crap out of me as a kid though.
Rewatching, they’re mostly objectively bad. I do have respect for him leaving the role, because being paired with women young enough to be his granddaughter was making him feel icky.
Sure, but I’d rather watch an earnestly bad Moonraker than some algorithm driven streaming slop like The Tomorrow War or The Electric State. The argument isn’t that all Bond movies are good, it’s that modern blockbusters are empty.
And this is why I’m not bothered by Amazon taking it over.
James Bond has always been bizarre with tone. Each Bond is different. As long as they’re not as Bourne-y as Craig’s then I’ll be fine. But them stealing bonds quips and gadgets and women… The fuck? You made British Jason Bourne with more trauma and less of an ability to cope with it.
Craig has actually said that the serious tone was a reaction to Austin Powers existing. It was too on the nose.
Which is just cowardice
Yeah. The Venn diagram of good Bond has a bit of Austin Powers and Inspector Gadget overlap, not Bourne.
The opening of casino royal is about as borne as it should get.
Craig was more like the Bond books I thought? A few of the earlier ones like On Her Majesty’s Secret Service followed the books, but the rest were way out there. I don’t think I’ve seen any of the Craig films all the way through though. I saw part of one on TV.
The Craig films certainly showed the more cold, gritty side of Bond that was portrayed in the books, but that wasn’t really the intent of the earlier films. The earlier films were made more lighthearted and fun on purpose, really only following the books for the basic story. Even Brosnan’s Bond still kept a bit of the whimsical nature to an extent, though they certainly were catering to the 90s action audience. Craig’s Brosnan more crossed into psychological thriller in my opinion, and I wasn’t too big on them.
Which is why my favorite Daniel Craig Bond moment is the Casino Royale naked torture scene. Bond telling the torturer to hit him again, then laughing because he’s “scratching my balls” is peak whimsy (within the new Bond universe).
I want my Bond to be a bit silly, and that was sadly the only time they did it.
100% agree. Half the reason I love the old Bond movies was because they were so goofy, along with some good action scenes and a fun storyline. The new stuff just strikes me as big budget boxoffice grabs. They aren’t bad, but they aren’t 007. That said, the newer Casino Royale was miles better than the 1967 version. I love Peter Sellers, but that movie tried way too hard and failed miserably.
What do you get if you overlap the other three? deadpool maybe
A different tone isn’t what we should be worried about, it’s that they’ll turn it into Russo brothers shit like Citadel. The only reason Fallout was good is because it’s Nolan/Joy in charge.
Moonraker.
Your argument is invalid.
Being shit is sort of part of Bond tradition
Edit: This comment was meant to be jokey but re-reading it, that tone isn’t really achieved.
My point was just that Bond movies have a series of being all over the place. I mean we have gotten a lot of insane bullshit in the past. And while the original movies were more ‘serious’, they also had way more camp and fun than the Craig ones do. I love the Craig ones for what they are but they’re a very gritty take on Bond. I just hope it doesn’t become the default.
I rewatched them all when Amazon added them a few years back.
There are precious few good Bond films. A lot of them are quite generic, and the later Brosnan movies especially bad. The appearance of Madonna in anything is never a good sign.
What’s most surprising is that there was nearly as big a gap between Spectre and No Time To Die as the entire Brosnan era.
I love the Brosnan movies but they’re not particularly good. Was just my entry point to Bond and I want to fuck the shit out of the man so that helps. Roger Moore though… my favorite. And both of those Bonds made some of the worst Bond movies but they also had the suave down for me like no one else did.
I do have a fondness for the Moore era.
Growing up in the 80s, he was my generation’s Bond, and every bank holiday or Boxing Day movie was nearly always one of his.
The zoom to the scarecrow in Live and Let Die scared the crap out of me as a kid though.
Rewatching, they’re mostly objectively bad. I do have respect for him leaving the role, because being paired with women young enough to be his granddaughter was making him feel icky.
Sure, but I’d rather watch an earnestly bad Moonraker than some algorithm driven streaming slop like The Tomorrow War or The Electric State. The argument isn’t that all Bond movies are good, it’s that modern blockbusters are empty.
And there are plenty of Bond movies that are empty. Tomorrow Never Dies is the first example that comes screaming into mind.
I just think you’re all getting insanely defeatist about something that hasn’t occured yet.